And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[staxomega]

Not entirely surprising I see many anarchists also love Bernie. This article from yesterday: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/04/811729200/former-prisoner-recalls-sanders-saying-i-don-t-know-what-s-so-wrong-with-cuba

Absolutely absurd. At this point I'm convinced many of his supporters would like to see the country that props up the entire world's economy burn to the ground.

"I don't know what's so wrong about Cuba" adds to his remarks about having absolutely no idea how the economy works, how you can't wave a magic wand to erase student debt, enslave US taxpayers with socialist style healthcare, etc.

[greg]

Not entirely surprising I see many anarchists also love Bernie. This article from yesterday: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/04/811729200/former-prisoner-recalls-sanders-saying-i-don-t-know-what-s-so-wrong-with-cuba

Absolutely absurd. At this point I'm convinced many of his supporters would like to see the country that props up the entire world's economy burn to the ground.

"I don't know what's so wrong about Cuba" adds to his remarks about having absolutely no idea how the economy works, how you can't wave a magic wand to erase student debt, enslave US taxpayers with socialist style healthcare, etc.

They simply can't be wholeheartedly anarchist in that case. They are first and foremost leftist and secondly "anarchist." Liking expansion of government reach doesn't make sense with anarchists.

[71 dB]

Voters and not "the 1%" spoke on Tuesday  Get over your self-pitying self!

Well obviously 1 % can't win elections alone so they brainwash at least half the people. I guess people voted for Biden for many reasons. Some fear "socialism", some think Biden is more electable, some have nostalgic feels of Obama years and so on. Most of these reasons are due to being misled by the corporate media and these people voted against their own good.

I want to see your self-pity when Trump beats Biden, but I want even more Bernie to beat both Biden and Trump.

[Karl Henning]

Not entirely surprising I see many anarchists also love Bernie. This article from yesterday: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/04/811729200/former-prisoner-recalls-sanders-saying-i-don-t-know-what-s-so-wrong-with-cuba

Absolutely absurd. At this point I'm convinced many of his supporters would like to see the country that props up the entire world's economy burn to the ground.

Aye.

[staxomega]

They simply can't be wholeheartedly anarchist in that case. They are first and foremost leftist and secondly "anarchist." Liking expansion of government reach doesn't make sense with anarchists.

True, I don't mean in the very literal definition because then the lines between anarchist and libertarian start to get blurred, I think it is pretty common to use anarchist in a malicious sense no? Simply meant people that would love nothing more than to see the US (and its economy for instance) burn down.

[Florestan]

When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing, even though Fidel Castro did it?

Mr. Sanders (or rather Comrade Sanders), may I ask you what's the use of spreading literacy if the only thing one will ever read in one's whole life is governmental communist propaganda?

[71 dB]

Based on info as of 5:30PM today,
Biden: 566
Sanders: 501

Now it's

Biden: 596
Sanders: 531

290 delegates yet to be allocated, 166 of them in California.

[Florestan]

They simply can't be wholeheartedly anarchist in that case. They are first and foremost leftist and secondly "anarchist." Liking expansion of government reach doesn't make sense with anarchists.

I tolerate anarchists more than extreme leftists. The former are a bunch of innocuous dreamers (with whose ideas I can even sympathize) who will never have any chance of putting their theories in practice. The latter are a dangerous bunch who, given even half a chance, will unleash hell on earth.

[Karl Henning]

I tolerate anarchists more than extreme leftists. The former are a bunch of innocuous dreamers (with whose ideas I can even sympathize) who will never have any chance of putting their theories in practice. The latter are a dangerous bunch who, given even half a chance, will unleash hell on earth.

I mean, Poju has assured us that we will learn some things "the hard way."

[Florestan]

I mean, Poju has assured us that we will learn some things "the hard way."

He was unwittingly quoting Lenin.

[greg]

I tolerate anarchists more than extreme leftists. The former are a bunch of innocuous dreamers (with whose ideas I can even sympathize) who will never have any chance of putting their theories in practice. The latter are a dangerous bunch who, given even half a chance, will unleash hell on earth.

Agreed 100%.

[Florestan]

Agreed 100%.

[71 dB]

     
     Social democracy inoculates a political/economic system against socialism of the old textbook kind.

Yes. That's why the people in the far left, left of Benie, the true socialists and communists for whom Bernie is too right don't like Bernie's social democratic ideas. They allow the system to be mostly capitalistic taking the "edge", the stuff that is bad about capitalism, away with social programs and regulation.

[JBS]

Well obviously 1 % can't win elections alone so they brainwash at least half the people. I guess people voted for Biden for many reasons. Some fear "socialism", some think Biden is more electable, some have nostalgic feels of Obama years and so on. Most of these reasons are due to being misled by the corporate media and these people voted against their own good.

I want to see your self-pity when Trump beats Biden, but I want even more Bernie to beat both Biden and Trump.

I bolded the part that displays the elitism that is inherent in your progressivism. You think you know better than us. You think that any alternate view is the result of ignorance. Your problem with the 1% percent is that it does not consist of the people you like.  My problem with the 1% is that it exists in the first.

[JBS]

Mr. Sanders (or rather Comrade Sanders), may I ask you what's the use of spreading literacy if the only thing one will ever read in one's whole life is governmental communist propaganda?

It's always good to make the trains run on time,  after all.

[Florestan]

Bernie's social democratic ideas.

Bernie identifies himself as a "democratic socialist" not as a "social -democrat". Do you, or rather does Kyle Kulinski, have any rational and reasonable explanation for this discrepancy?

[JBS]

True, I don't mean in the very literal definition because then the lines between anarchist and libertarian start to get blurred, I think it is pretty common to use anarchist in a malicious sense no? Simply meant people that would love nothing more than to see the US (and its economy for instance) burn down.

The more extreme form of libertarianism is often called anarcho-capitalism because it thinks an ideal society will have no formal government.

[Florestan]

It's always good to make the trains run on time,  after all.

Well, if my personal anecdotal evidence is any worth, in AD 2000 Italian trains were running exactly on time, as opposed to French ones which were often behind time.

[greg]

The more extreme form of libertarianism is often called anarcho-capitalism because it thinks an ideal society will have no formal government.

That's not exactly right because that's only right-wing style anarchy... somehow here in the US libertarianism is only thought of as rightwing. Left wing extreme libertarianism is anarchocommunism.

There's also centrist-style anarchy... haven't learned about them yet, but I do see the terms Syndicalism and Mutualism mentioned.

[Florestan]

The more extreme form of libertarianism is often called anarcho-capitalism because it thinks an ideal society will have no formal government.

Whenever I hear about "an ideal society", be it from the right or form the left, I recoil in horror. Paradise on Earth is downright impossible but Hell on Earth in the name of Paradise was/is a sad reality.