And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[JBS]

Kyle Kulinski just posted a new video about how Biden would veto medicare for all EVEN IF it passes congress. Kyle says: "If I know you'll fight for a couple of issues important for me I'll vote for you, but when you give me the middle finger on EVERY issue important to me what am I supposed to do? Vote for you? Why?"

First off, there is no evidence Biden would veto MfA if it passed Congress,
Of course MfA will never pass Congress even if Bernie were POTUS. Too many Republicans and too many Denocrats elected from states that lean Republican. So it's a meaningless prediction.

What is truly nonsensical about Kulinski's attitude. is the fact that Biden and the Progressives agree on almost everything in terms of policy goals and problems to be solved. They disagree on the methods to reach those policy goals.  Kulinski is rejecting the good because it is not the perfect.   If Kulinski makes you think otherwise, then yet again you have a clear example of how Kulinski is not a reliable source.

[SimonNZ]

Kyle Kulinski Speaks, The Bernie Bros Listen

That article actually frightens me a little. I had assumed Kyle was the lefts Ben Shapiro, wheres that suggests he's the lefts Rush Limbaugh.

[71 dB]

First off, there is no evidence Biden would veto MfA if it passed Congress,

What is truly nonsensical about Kulinski's attitude. is the fact that Biden and the Progressives agree on almost everything in terms of policy goals and problems to be solved. They disagree on the methods to reach those policy goals.  Kulinski is rejecting the good because it is not the perfect.   If Kulinski makes you think otherwise, then yet again you have a clear example of how Kulinski is not a reliable source.

What more evidence do you need than JOE BIDEN HIMSELF SAYING IT when asked??  That's how we know it.

Why the fuck should the left vote anyone in any election if there is no hope of anything they want to be implemented? The fact that You Don't want medicare for all doesn't mean the left doesn't want it. TONS of Americans WANT medicare for all!! That's why Bernie is still in the race despite of the establishment trying to take him down. Is there hope or isn't there? Will ALL people have healthcare ever? You are YOUR great healthcare !!! Yeah yeah, but tons of people DON'T have what you have! Think about them! Think about that and stop your stupidity. Kyle Kulinski's father died because of the BRUTAL system and would probably be alive today if the US had universal healthcare and he would have afforded to go to doctor in time and get treatment. Kyle Kulinski HAS THE RIGHT TO speak for MEDICATE FOR ALL so SHUT UP!! We are talking about people dying and you are worried about your taxes and bureacrats!

Biden and progressives agree about nothing. He takes corporate money and serves corporations. Progressives WANT THE OPPOSITE. Biden is a monster, but people don't know it because of corporate media.

I try to be nice, but you get me over the edge.

[71 dB]

BREAKING: Bernie Sanders WINS Northern Mariana Islands Caucus, DEFEATS Joe Biden!

[Herman]

And it's gotten even worse the last 3 years, now that almost every speech, announcement or press conference of the POTUS has become a campaign rally, too.

That's because it's what he does best. In fact it's his only skill.

The next White House incumbent will tone that down.

[71 dB]

That's because it's what he does best. In fact it's his only skill.

The next White House incumbent will tone that down.

WWE ring president. Trump should be feuding with the McMahon family instead the World.

[drogulus]

Kyle Kulinski Speaks, The Bernie Bros Listen

That article actually frightens me a little. I had assumed Kyle was the lefts Ben Shapiro, wheres that suggests he's the lefts Rush Limbaugh.

     I have the advantage of knowing nothing about this guy, so I read the article and I'm struggling with the idea that he's a Limbaugh. He appears to be the sort of person who rejects identity politics as much as I do. Programs should be judged regardless of how radical the advocate is.

     As painful as it is for me to even acknowledge disabling gambits of the howyougonna variety, I must point out no reasoning has been supplied that the "gazillion over 10 years" of private sector lateral moves has more expansion in it than a similar gazillion through the public spend/tax circuit. The default should be that the advantages lie with the public option with a net spend kicker. That is, like all means of fiscal expansion, health care spending that is not excessively taxed back grows the entire economy before counter-inflation tax is returned. Of course we could pre-tax ("trust fund") so as to shrink before growth, but we are wiser than that now. The economy as a whole is "spend before tax", so any effort to mimic "tax before spend" will reduce performance.

[71 dB]

     I have the advantage of knowing nothing about this guy,

He is amazingly unknown outside the lefties. You must have heard of AOC. She is a Justice Democrat. Kyle Kulinski is the co-founder of Justice Democrats with Cenk Uygur of TYT. Corporate media almost never tells about these things, because they ignore the left as much as possible. That's their stragedy to minimize the popularity of the progressive agenda. Among the lefties Kyle Kulinski is a hero.

so I read the article and I'm struggling with the idea that he's a Limbaugh.

Yep. Sometimes the left goes wrong with identity politics and SJW-nonsense, but that's nothing compared to the lunacy of the likes of Limbaugh on the right.

He appears to be the sort of person who rejects identity politics as much as I do.

That is an accurate observation. I don't write about his intellectual honesty for nothing. 

[SimonNZ]

The Limbaugh comparison was because of the large numbers who are whipped up into a frenzy by crank-it-to-eleven outrage ranting and the influence those numbers are able to exert or otherwise sane politics.

[drogulus]

The Limbaugh comparison was because of the large numbers who are whipped up into a frenzy by crank-it-to-eleven outrage ranting and the influence those numbers are able to exert or otherwise sane politics.

      I missed the frenzy element because it wasn't in the article. I might have to go see what it's about.

[Karl Henning]

Tonight's debate has been moved from Phoenix to DC.

[JBS]

What more evidence do you need than JOE BIDEN HIMSELF SAYING IT when asked??  That's how we know it.

Why the fuck should the left vote anyone in any election if there is no hope of anything they want to be implemented? The fact that You Don't want medicare for all doesn't mean the left doesn't want it. TONS of Americans WANT medicare for all!! That's why Bernie is still in the race despite of the establishment trying to take him down. Is there hope or isn't there? Will ALL people have healthcare ever? You are YOUR great healthcare !!! Yeah yeah, but tons of people DON'T have what you have! Think about them! Think about that and stop your stupidity. Kyle Kulinski's father died because of the BRUTAL system and would probably be alive today if the US had universal healthcare and he would have afforded to go to doctor in time and get treatment. Kyle Kulinski HAS THE RIGHT TO speak for MEDICATE FOR ALL so SHUT UP!! We are talking about people dying and you are worried about your taxes and bureacrats!

Biden and progressives agree about nothing. He takes corporate money and serves corporations. Progressives WANT THE OPPOSITE. Biden is a monster, but people don't know it because of corporate media.

I try to be nice, but you get me over the edge.

People die because of bureaucrats.  People are going to die here in the US because bureaucrats were bureaucrats, and threw bureaucratic obstacles in the way of testing for COVID19.  And you want those same bureaucrats to control everyone's health care!

Medicare for all means a bureaucracy that will supervise poor to mediocre health care for everyone, paid for by taxes, premiums,  copays, deductibles, etc.  Get this into your head; Bernie's plan has no chance of becoming reality. Even in a Democratic controlled Congress, it won't pass.

You are obsessed with the idea of oligarchs and corporations controlling everyone's life.  Well, the Progressive agenda is devoted to the idea of bureaucrats controlling the lives of everyone.  Which means it's elitist, not populist, and just as anti-freedom as any money based oligarchy. If you were truly concerned with defeating the power of the elites, you'd be attacking progressivism, not defending it.

[JBS]

He is amazingly unknown outside the lefties. You must have heard of AOC. She is a Justice Democrat. Kyle Kulinski is the co-founder of Justice Democrats with Cenk Uygur of TYT. Corporate media almost never tells about these things, because they ignore the left as much as possible. That's their stragedy to minimize the popularity of the progressive agenda. Among the lefties Kyle Kulinski is a hero.


Yep. Sometimes the left goes wrong with identity politics and SJW-nonsense, but that's nothing compared to the lunacy of the likes of Limbaugh on the right.


That is an accurate observation. I don't write about his intellectual honesty for nothing.

Sometimes the Left goes wrong with identity politics?

Make that almost all the time. Kyle Kulinski is rather unique among progressives in rejecting identity politics. (And I think that is one point in his favor.)

And it is the Left's dedication to identity politics that gives immense power to the Right. In fact, it's the main reason Trump won.

[SimonNZ]

I'd imagine it's easy to avoid "identity politics" if you're a white guy. I give no points for that.

But then I don't necessarily see the term as pejorative.

[drogulus]

People die because of bureaucrats.  People are going to die here in the US because bureaucrats were bureaucrats, and threw bureaucratic obstacles in the way of testing for COVID19.  And you want those same bureaucrats to control everyone's health care!

     Yes, that is exactly what we should want. The bureaucrats should be allowed to do the job they are here to do. It's a failure of an ideology that civil servants are obstructed and then blamed for the obstruction for being subject to the ideological wrecking ball of Big Anti-Government. The Trump regime is the ultimate test case.

[drogulus]

I'd imagine it's easy to avoid "identity politics" if you're a white guy. I give no points for that.

But then I don't necessarily see the term as pejorative.

     Dems have a wide and quarrelsome coalition to manage.  Repubs have a version that burns with (heh!) white hot intensity.

[JBS]

     Yes, that is exactly what we should want. The bureaucrats should be allowed to do the job they are here to do. It's a failure of an ideology that civil servants are obstructed and then blamed for the obstruction for being subject to the ideological wrecking ball of Big Anti-Government. The Trump regime is the ultimate test case.

The job of bureaucracy is to enforce rules. Meaning to obstruct and delay.   Government is always an inefficient operation. Which is why it should be used only when no other alternative can work.

[JBS]

I'd imagine it's easy to avoid "identity politics" if you're a white guy. I give no points for that.

But then I don't necessarily see the term as pejorative.

To say it in a less cliched manner, Kulinski wants to focus on economic issues that impact everyone.  Most progressives tend to foreground issues that impact particular communities, and not everyone. Black Lives Matter wants everyone to focus on police abuse of minorities. A non identity politics approach would base itself on the fact that while police abuse minorities more, they abuse everyone, and therefore police abuse must be stopped. [I have no idea of what Kulinski himself has said about BLM.]  That's actually the standard libertarian approach, which is the one I take.

BTW, when I say most progressives, I mean the politicians and advocates  who appear on TV or write op eds.  I'm sure some progressives who are simply ordinary members of the public share Kulinski's approach, but I have no idea of their numbers.

[SimonNZ]

I don't see why its a choice or why all these things can't happen simultaneously. You can talk about general police brutality in the very same breath as talking about the disproportionate impact on black communities.

[JBS]

I don't see why its a choice or why all these things can't happen simultaneously. You can talk about general police brutality in the very same breath as talking about the disproportionate impact on black communities.

BLM only talks about the impact on minority communities, as if police brutality never occurs on non minorities.