What are you listening 2 now?

[ritter]

Roger Muraro plays Debussy's Études.



Not half bad! 

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

OK guys, rationalise it whichever way you want, but "babe" is (in the 21st century) a derogatory, misogynist term. It has nothing to do with cancel culture, but with the minimum respect and courtesy we can demand in a forum like this one. This is an open classical music forum, not a locker room where the "old boys" can speak without restrictions

We wouldn't dream of using the K-word, the N-word, or a term like "dago" (I spell that one out because it would apply to someone like me), so let us not use the B-word either. Thanks!

I am a male, non-white university professor in the deep South, USA (retired recently). A few ladies working at school cafeteria always called me "babe" while they called other, mostly white male, professors "professor" or "Dr." followed by last names. I found it ridiculous, but they didn't see any problem.


(I know my issue is largely different from the issue here).

[AnotherSpin]

In your universe maybe, but in my universe, non of my female friends would think this way when I call them babe.

Same

[AnotherSpin]

That is my thought at this moment. Mauna indeed.

By the way, I would prefer reading your comments on various topics in this forum. There couldn't be too much sanity.

[AnotherSpin]

I am a male, non-white university professor in the deep South, USA (retired recently). A few ladies working at school cafeteria always called me "babe" while they called other, mostly white male, professors "professor" or "Dr." followed by last names. I found it ridiculous, but they didn't see any problem.


(I know my issue is largely different from the issue here).

I like it. Babe indeed. How you call them in return?

[Brian]

This discussion is tedious in the extreme.



Schumann - Faschingsschwank aus Wien
Schoenberg - Kleine Klavierstucke Op. 19
Ravel - Valses nobles et sentimentales
Korngold - Piano Sonata No. 3
Schubert/R. Strauss - Kupfelwieser-walzer

[Traverso]

There are constant fluctuations and changes in the way things are viewed and judged. There are jokes in Falwty towers that nowadays require a disclaimer because people no longer pick up the humor from that time and take offense. It is not a question of right or wrong to take into account your choice of words to avoid friction.
We live in a time where we (usually short-sightedly) are ready to give our judgment about others.
The cancel culture, well you name it.
The only thing that matters is not to use words or expressions that could lead to controversy for the members of this forum.
Live and let live, maturity is in a sense also an opportunity to deal with various issues or different types of people.

[Traverso]

I am a male, non-white university professor in the deep South, USA (retired recently). A few ladies working at school cafeteria always called me "babe" while they called other, mostly white male, professors "professor" or "Dr." followed by last names. I found it ridiculous, but they didn't see any problem.


(I know my issue is largely different from the issue here).

Indeed too ridiculous for words, the stupidity is dripping from it. It may be possible that they have all kind of fantasies.....

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Indeed too ridiculous for words, the stupidity is dripping from it. It may be possible that they have all kind of fantasies.....

It's all about the display of hierarchy and power.

[Traverso]

It's all about the hierarchy and power.

 It's a stupid world full of hypocrisy en conceit.

[Roasted Swan]

Got ya!  Misinterpreted at my end...yet again.    Sigh...And thank you for the clarification.

K

Apropos November Woods/Boult.  I know some people have a lot of admiration for (the few) recordings of Bax that Boult made.  But for me I think they are not as good as some because of Boult's slightly stand-off objectivity.  Worth remembering that Bax wrote poems that visit a similar topic where human passion is expressed/embodied by a storm-tossed woodland.  That being the case I think a good performance has to embrace the illustrative and passionate aspect of the music.  I suspect Boult found that explicit passion faintly vulgar.....

[hopefullytrusting]

Chiara Massini's Toccata Passacaglia Partita (here, playing the cembalo - another wonderous wonder)

[AnotherSpin]

There are constant fluctuations and changes in the way things are viewed and judged. There are jokes in Falwty towers that nowadays require a disclaimer because people no longer pick up the humor from that time and take offense. It is not a question of right or wrong to take into account your choice of words to avoid friction.
We live in a time where we (usually short-sightedly) are ready to give our judgment about others.
The cancel culture, well you name it.
The only thing that matters is not to use words or expressions that could lead to controversy for the members of this forum.
Live and let live, maturity is in a sense also an opportunity to deal with various issues or different types of people.

Today, a respected forum participant was scolded for the innocent use of a word. Do you want to live in such an environment?

[Brian]

Schumann - Faschingsschwank aus Wien
Schoenberg - Kleine Klavierstucke Op. 19
Ravel - Valses nobles et sentimentales
Korngold - Piano Sonata No. 3
Schubert/R. Strauss - Kupfelwieser-walzer

I had never heard the Korngold sonata before, but it is quite an interesting find. Beatson draws out the slow movement to an expressionistic largo with weird harmonies; I wonder if he is playing at the marked tempo or not.

[Brian]

Today, a respected forum participant was scolded for the innocent use of a word. Do you want to live in such an environment?

Yes. I would prefer an environment where women feel free and welcome, over an environment where sexist language is free and welcome.

[AnotherSpin]

Yes. I would prefer an environment where women feel free and welcome, over an environment where sexist language is free and welcome.

Probably your women prefer a language that does not distinguish them from men. Well, to each their own

[Traverso]

Today, a respected forum participant was scolded for the innocent use of a word. Do you want to live in such an environment?

It is not my intention to accuse or defend anyone. I am speaking in general and not targeting individuals.
I cannot and will not respond to your stated qualification,              leave well enough alone.
As you have stated before,"there is a danger in using words"

This enviroment as you call it is characterized by all kinds of ailments, wars of an ideological nature, ah whatever..., that is the history of mankind, paradise is a dream not a reality.

I'll leave it at that, enough supposed wisdom for one day.

[AnotherSpin]

Symphony No.5. Captivating, a good antidote to the surrounding madness.

[vandermolen]

Got ya!  Misinterpreted at my end...yet again.    Sigh...And thank you for the clarification.

K

It has only taken me several hours to work this one out!    The misunderstanding was due to myself rather than you Kalevala - also thanks to Roasted Swan for helping to clear this up. Yes I meant a 'lower voltage' performance rather than an actual key change. It didn't help that I wrote 'that' rather than 'than' when referring to Boult's performance - oh dear! We are two nations divided by a common language 

[vandermolen]

Apropos November Woods/Boult.  I know some people have a lot of admiration for (the few) recordings of Bax that Boult made.  But for me I think they are not as good as some because of Boult's slightly stand-off objectivity.  Worth remembering that Bax wrote poems that visit a similar topic where human passion is expressed/embodied by a storm-tossed woodland.  That being the case I think a good performance has to embrace the illustrative and passionate aspect of the music.  I suspect Boult found that explicit passion faintly vulgar.....

You could be right. I gather that in the BBC archives there are Boult recordings of one or more Bax symphonies - I would love to hear them!