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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2340 on: June 26, 2020, 05:09:57 AM »
I'm sorry, but this is just unusually stupid. Will prolong problems and doesn't exactly makes one wish to visit the UK within the nearer future.
Dorset beaches, the UK, today.
What a set-back.

https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1276152218819989508
Wow!  I was shocked when I saw that picture!  And saddened too.

Well, it's me and the birds in my garden (along with mosquitos who are horrible about social-distancing from me!  >:( ).

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« Reply #2341 on: June 26, 2020, 10:53:07 AM »
Wow!  I was shocked when I saw that picture!  And saddened too.

Well, it's me and the birds in my garden (along with mosquitos who are horrible about social-distancing from me!  >:( ).

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1) Truth be told, we were having some of the same problems in Copenhagen today, during the heatwave, albeit on a lesser scale.
There are popular beaches & swimming options in the city harbour. But beaches outside the city have plenty of space between people.

Unfortunately I can't really participate in that sort of city carelessness, but it must be pleasant when you can.

As a side remark, it's been demonstrated how photographers using a zoom lens often will make the density of people more accentuated, than it really is.
So one should study such photos a bit carefully.

2) Some good news:
a local study here shows that people using medicine against heightened blood pressure or heart problems aren't more at risk for being seriously ill with the virus.






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« Reply #2342 on: June 26, 2020, 01:14:37 PM »
Spanish scientists now saying they've apparently found clear traces of corona virus in one Barcelona sample from ... March 2019.
But the find needs further verification.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science/coronavirus-traces-found-in-march-2019-sewage-sample-spanish-study-shows-idUSKBN23X2HQ
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2343 on: June 26, 2020, 02:34:06 PM »
1) Truth be told, we were having some of the same problems in Copenhagen today, during the heatwave, albeit on a lesser scale.
There are popular beaches & swimming options in the city harbour. But beaches outside the city have plenty of space between people.

Unfortunately I can't really participate in that sort of city carelessness, but it must be pleasant when you can.

As a side remark, it's been demonstrated how photographers using a zoom lens often will make the density of people more accentuated, than it really is.
So one should study such photos a bit carefully.

2) Some good news:
a local study here shows that people using medicine against heightened blood pressure or heart problems aren't more at risk for being seriously ill with the virus.
Ah, well, I hope that the rate doesn't spike in Denmark.

I've wondered about some photos...thinking more about the angle but that's good to know about zoom lenses.  I'll have to ask others more about that on the photos thread...thanks!  And good news re No. 2. :-)

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2344 on: June 27, 2020, 12:07:04 AM »
Disconcerting news about the situation in the USA:

Coronavirus: US has 'serious problem', says Fauci (BBC)

My sympathies go out to our members from the US....
Although it hasn't been a picnic here in Europe either.
But at least the situation is under control - for now - and there has been a gradual return to some form of normality.
With the possible exception of the UK, which locked down too late and is now unlocking too early.

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« Reply #2345 on: June 27, 2020, 12:27:41 AM »
Outdoors the contagion probability seems far smaller than indoors. With the old samples, it could be fragments of similar viruses, or not. Continental/central Europe seems to be doing not too bad. Switzerland, Austria, Czechia are allowing most things, including tourism, Germany has had a little setback because of the embarrassing situation in slaughterhouses (and worse, the living conditions of their often Southeastern European workers) but apart from this it seems quite under control.
Not sure about Africa and Southern Asia but the main viral problem zone now seems the Americas.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2346 on: June 27, 2020, 11:43:13 AM »
Outdoors the contagion probability seems far smaller than indoors. With the old samples, it could be fragments of similar viruses, or not. Continental/central Europe seems to be doing not too bad. Switzerland, Austria, Czechia are allowing most things, including tourism, Germany has had a little setback because of the embarrassing situation in slaughterhouses (and worse, the living conditions of their often Southeastern European workers) but apart from this it seems quite under control.


     I just watched an episode of Tatort that showed the conditions of slaughterhouse workers housing (Bulgarians).
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2347 on: June 28, 2020, 06:48:56 AM »

     How the Virus Won

     This adds detail to what has been reported widely. We "shallowed" out the CDC, it bungled the first tests and there was no follow up. There has been no national testing and contact tracing strategy. We aren't even playing catch up.

     It's not just the Trumpist moronathon that afflicts the country. Bill De Blasio has to answer for his delayed response. Allowing local government to fall to the stupidest level it's capable of in a national emergency has produced predictable results.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2348 on: June 29, 2020, 01:32:39 PM »
Caught a bit of a news story today re US at least (need to look into it longer), but it has to do with somehow or another using wastewater to detect the virus and that it could be used to detecting a second wave of the virus.

Sorry, I need to work on dinner, but I'm sure that you can find various stories.

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2349 on: June 30, 2020, 04:29:58 PM »
US buys up world stock of key Covid-19 drug remdesivir

"The US has bought up virtually all the stocks for the next three months of one of the two drugs proven to work against Covid-19, leaving none for the UK, Europe or most of the rest of the world.

Experts and campaigners are alarmed both by the US unilateral action on remdesivir and the wider implications, for instance in the event of a vaccine becoming available. The Trump administration has already shown that it is prepared to outbid and outmanoeuvre all other countries to secure the medical supplies it needs for the US.

“They’ve got access to most of the drug supply [of remdesivir], so there’s nothing for Europe,” said Dr Andrew Hill, senior visiting research fellow at Liverpool University.

Remdesivir, the first drug approved by licensing authorities in the US to treat Covid-19, is made by Gilead and has been shown to help people recover faster from the disease. The first 140,000 doses, supplied to drug trials around the world, have been used up. The Trump administration has now bought more than 500,000 doses, which is all of Gilead’s production for July and 90% of August and September.

“President Trump has struck an amazing deal to ensure Americans have access to the first authorised therapeutic for Covid-19,” said the US health and human services secretary, Alex Azar. “To the extent possible, we want to ensure that any American patient who needs remdesivir can get it. The Trump administration is doing everything in our power to learn more about life-saving therapeutics for Covid-19 and secure access to these options for the American people.”

The drug, which was invented for Ebola but failed to work, is under patent to Gilead, which means no other company in wealthy countries can make it. The cost is around $3,200 per treatment of six doses, according to the US government statement.

The deal was announced as it became clear that the pandemic in the US is spiralling out of control. Anthony Fauci, the country’s leading public health expert and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the Senate the US was sliding backwards."[...]

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2350 on: June 30, 2020, 05:23:37 PM »
Covid-19 cases exploding in the Golden State: 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505350-california-breaks-daily-record-with-more-than-8000-new-covid-19-cases

So in this solidly Dem blue state are you blaming Newsom Trump for the outbreak?  ::)
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2351 on: June 30, 2020, 08:39:55 PM »
(...)

Dextamethason is now being used in Danish hospitals, it is available, cheaper and apparently more effective than Remdesivir.

Hydrocortisone is also promising, cf. results from the UK, reducing fatalities with at least 1/3 among the very ill, and it will now be introduced at hospitals here.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2352 on: July 01, 2020, 01:37:50 AM »
US buys up world stock of key Covid-19 drug remdesivir

America first.....

Foolish... because soon the tables might be turned: the most promising vaccine projects are European.

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« Reply #2353 on: July 01, 2020, 03:05:00 AM »
America first.....

Foolish... because soon the tables might be turned: the most promising vaccine projects are European.

Another possibility is that Kushner and other Orange Swindler intimates have loaded up on Gilead shares and the POTUS is trying to kite the stock price.  :D

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« Reply #2354 on: July 01, 2020, 11:33:40 AM »
America first.....

Foolish... because soon the tables might be turned: the most promising vaccine projects are European.

Q

Indeed, wickedly foolish.
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« Reply #2355 on: July 01, 2020, 11:34:13 AM »
California and Pennsylvania to impose new restrictions amid spike in coronavirus cases
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« Reply #2356 on: July 01, 2020, 12:13:56 PM »
Sad to see it Karl.  I know a woman who was just finishing chemo in Arizona; hasn't been out to shop in ages...too scared to do so and things are getting worse there too.   :

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« Reply #2357 on: July 02, 2020, 07:55:12 AM »
Covid-19 cases exploding in the Golden State: 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505350-california-breaks-daily-record-with-more-than-8000-new-covid-19-cases

So in this solidly Dem blue state are you blaming Newsom Trump for the outbreak?  ::)

    Of course he should be blamed for the decisions he's made, and I apply that to all governors and other local officials. The distinction to be made is whether the mistakes are driven by ideology, or by generic incompetence.
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« Reply #2358 on: July 02, 2020, 12:16:33 PM »
Wonder how may lives would have been saved if he had had the sense to do so sooner....

Texas governor issues mandatory mask policy for counties with 20 or more coronavirus cases
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« Reply #2359 on: July 02, 2020, 03:11:20 PM »

     
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