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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #760 on: March 26, 2020, 09:36:04 AM »
Some of you were wondering earlier why Germany had so few deaths compared to tested. Here is an article that attempts to explain that:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-why-germanys-death-toll-is-so-low-125400840.html

     Yes, I asked that and got some answers I kept to myself.

Making direct comparisons between national mortality rates can be misleading, not just because of recording lags and different methodologies on reporting cases and deaths, but also because of the extent of testing. The more aggressively a country tests for coronavirus, the more cases of mild infections will be found and recorded in the statistics, which pushes the fatality percentage down. 

Various medical experts have attributed the low mortality partly to the fact that the first wave of coronavirus cases in Germany happened among younger people, many of whom had returned from ski holidays in other European countries, especially resorts in Italy and Austria, and recovered.

     
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #761 on: March 26, 2020, 09:51:12 AM »
Nobody deserves it.

"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

It's tragic though… spoke to my employer on the phone 2 days ago, and one of his main sources in these turbulent times is a dude called Robert Jensen, broadcast-dj and 'free-thinking' opinion maker, who's also got a YouTube channel. This Jensen is convinced that it's the governments who create this panic on purpose, to silent the 'ordinary people'. I begged him, cuz he's got children, to pay no attention to fools like Jensen and just try to live by the regularions and advices from government and National Health Organisations. Well, he promised he would try to do that.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #762 on: March 26, 2020, 10:26:51 AM »
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

It's tragic though… spoke to my employer on the phone 2 days ago, and one of his main sources in these turbulent times is a dude called Robert Jensen, broadcast-dj and 'free-thinking' opinion maker, who's also got a YouTube channel. This Jensen is convinced that it's the governments who create this panic on purpose, to silent the 'ordinary people'. I begged him, cuz he's got children, to pay no attention to fools like Jensen and just try to live by the regularions and advices from government and National Health Organisations. Well, he promised he would try to do that.

This worries me too. I am debating, if that is the word and it really isn’t, with deniers on a popular blog. Their ignorance and certainty are scary. I have no fear that they will directly influence government decisions, but I worry a lot that they will lead to non compliance with quarantines and distancing. People who think it’s a sham are more likely to say “the hell with it”.  My wife asks why I waste my time when I cannot convince them. My answer is that I am trying to convince other people who read it.

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Re: Coronavirus thread
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #764 on: March 26, 2020, 12:46:27 PM »
This worries me too. I am debating, if that is the word and it really isn’t, with deniers on a popular blog. Their ignorance and certainty are scary. I have no fear that they will directly influence government decisions, but I worry a lot that they will lead to non compliance with quarantines and distancing. People who think it’s a sham are more likely to say “the hell with it”.  My wife asks why I waste my time when I cannot convince them. My answer is that I am trying to convince other people who read it.

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #765 on: March 26, 2020, 12:54:06 PM »
Today I have this thought in my head:

Funny how much countries spend money on military and then a microscopic virus comes and forces the whole World on it's knees.  ::)

What are all the tanks, cannons and nuclear missiles good for fighting against COVID-19? We should have nuked the bats in China to prevent this... 

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #766 on: March 26, 2020, 12:56:04 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #767 on: March 26, 2020, 01:15:25 PM »
Today I have this thought in my head:

Funny how much countries spend money on military and then a microscopic virus comes and forces the whole World on it's knees.  ::)

What are all the tanks, cannons and nuclear missiles good for fighting against COVID-19? We should have nuked the bats in China to prevent this... 



     The weapons are not preventing a proper economic response to the pandemic. I know Sanders thinks money always comes from who has it, but it just plain doesn't.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #768 on: March 26, 2020, 01:49:03 PM »

     The Four Possible Timelines for Life Returning to Normal

     This is good stuff. It's quite possible life will be fairly normal in a few months, even if the best timeline isn't the one we get.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #769 on: March 26, 2020, 03:06:09 PM »
The Trump re-election committee is threatening to sue to take this ad off the air.  A transparent bluff.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMwvmJLnc0

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #770 on: March 26, 2020, 03:29:49 PM »
The Trump re-election committee is threatening to sue to take this ad off the air.  A transparent bluff.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMwvmJLnc0

     I think his claim is that "hoax" was taken out of context. Snopes sez:

What's True

oint out that Trump's claim of "their hoax" has no merit, and his behavior pattern in everything virusDuring a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False

Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.


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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #771 on: March 26, 2020, 03:32:24 PM »
The latest episode of Preet Bharara's podcast (yes, Preet is my personal Kyle) is an extensive interview with Andy Slavitt, formerly Acting Administrator of Medicare and Medicaid Services and who is currently advising officials and some in the White House on the needs and logistics of supplying front line medical workers. He's very insightful and well informed on how this is likely to play out in America moving forward and on the questions some have on health vs economy.

https://cafe.com/tracking-tackling-covid-19-with-andy-slavitt/


Also listened to an episode of the Campaign HQ podcast from David Plouffe (formerly Obama's campaign strategist) from 7 days ago that interviews Ron Klain who was Al Gore and Joe Bidens chief of staff and also Obama's Ebola Czar, talking about the differences in response then and now. This one, I might need to warn some, has lots of Trump bashing throughout (Andy Slavitt in the one above tries his best to avoid that while still clearly not a fan).

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cadence13/campaign-hq-with-david-plouffe/e/68158600
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #772 on: March 26, 2020, 06:41:47 PM »
The Trump re-election committee is threatening to sue to take this ad off the air.  A transparent bluff.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMwvmJLnc0
Is it really trying to take a clip of him saying "I like this stuff" to make it seem like he likes the virus? LOL.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #773 on: March 26, 2020, 06:51:53 PM »

Neil Ferguson said ...

I think it would be helpful if I cleared up some confusion that has emerged in recent days. Some have interpreted my evidence to a UK parliamentary committee as indicating we have substantially revised our assessments of the potential mortality impact of COVID-19.
This is not the case. Indeed, if anything, our latest estimates suggest that the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought. Our lethality estimates remain unchanged.
My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing and other public health interventions now in place.

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« Reply #774 on: March 26, 2020, 06:59:40 PM »
Something from a guy named Bart Hall, whom I have never heard of.

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Truckers are saying “fuck the log rules, I’m hauling” and they’re getting supplies to the stores. People are stocking the shelves all night and letting old people shop first. Folks are buying meals for truckers, who (obviously) can’t go through the drive-ups. Asking ’em what they want, then buying it for them.

Carnival Cruise Line has told Trump “We can match those big Navy Hospital ships with some fully staffed cruise ships”.

GM and Ford have said “hold our cars and watch this — we can make ventilators where we were just making car parts, starting next week” — by re-engineering seat ventilators which their engineers hacked together for a new purpose. In under a week.

In a project with which I’m loosely associated, a very-effective agricultural disease-control agent was re-purposed and re-labeled specifically for Corona-virus control by the FDA and EPA in under ten days, from initial request to distribution.

Restaurants and schools have said, “we’ve got kitchens and staff; we can feed the poor kids who used have school lunch.”

NBA basketball players have said, “Hold our basketballs while we write checks to pay the arena staff.”

Construction companies are saying, “Here are some high-end masks for medical staff and doctors”.

Distilleries are making sanitizer out of distilling “heads and tails” which are normally discarded. Nasty shit to drink, but effective sanitizer.

People are tipping grocery check-out clerks and thanking them for taking the risk.

Local, state, and county governments are taking control of everything the feds cannot do. Some are doing it wrong, but for the first time in decades … they’re doing it. Federalism is re-emerging, and the smallest unit of government is the individual and the family. This, too, is re-emerging after decades of dormancy.

As Japanese Admiral Isokuru Yamamoto said, after Pearl Harbor … “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

I sense this has just happened. We have a wonderful country, the greatest single force for good in all human history. We have closed our borders, with good reason, yet we have top medical people now assisting North Korea in their response to the virus.

Many things have been re-set, and will never be the same.


I can say that where I live people are also rising to the occasion. Our government too is showing signs of sense: restaurants can only do takeout but now they can include alcoholic drinks!

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #775 on: March 26, 2020, 07:31:16 PM »
Something from a guy named Bart Hall, whom I have never heard of.

I can say that where I live people are also rising to the occasion. Our government too is showing signs of sense: restaurants can only do takeout but now they can include alcoholic drinks!

We've been able to get alcohol delivered here in California for a few years via services like Instacart and Doordash.  Amazon Fresh is now doing it, too.  You have to present your I.D. for scanning, though.  I clean my I.D. with Clorox spray and put it under the doormat so I don't have to hand it to the shopper.

Pot dispensaries will also deliver, but I haven't tried that.


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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #776 on: March 26, 2020, 07:39:22 PM »

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GM and Ford have said “hold our cars and watch this — we can make ventilators where we were just making car parts, starting next week” — by re-engineering seat ventilators which their engineers hacked together for a new purpose. In under a week.


They can theoretically make them, but they require a government contract to guarantee such a large order, which is not happening - as Andy Slavitt talks about in that podcast I linked to.

Furthermore:

Trump questions need for 30,000 ventilators in New York

"President Trump on Thursday questioned whether New York will actually need the tens of thousands of ventilators the state's leaders have said will be required to handle the expected number of coronavirus cases there.

The president phoned into Sean Hannity's show on Fox News, where he swiped at the governors of Michigan and Washington state and cast doubt on the need for mass ventilator production to meet the demand of certain states.

"I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be," Trump said on "Hannity."

"I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You know, you go into major hospitals, sometimes they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they're saying, 'can we order 30,000 ventilators?'"

"Look, it’s a bad situation," he added. "We haven’t seen anything like it. But the end result is we have to get back to work and I think we can start by opening up certain parts of the country."

The president compared purchasing a ventilator to purchasing a car, calling the machines "very expensive" and "very intricate."

"And you know they’d say, like Gov. Cuomo and others, they’d say we want 30,000 of them. Thirty thousand?" Trump said. "Think of this, you know you go to hospitals that have one in a hospital and now all of a sudden everyone’s asking for these vast numbers."

The comments come as governors across the country are pleading with the federal government to provide critical medical supplies to meet the increasing need of resources as coronavirus cases continue to climb. "[...]

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« Reply #777 on: March 26, 2020, 10:50:18 PM »
....The comments come as governors across the country are pleading with the federal government to provide critical medical supplies to meet the increasing need of resources as coronavirus cases continue to climb. "[...]

BTW last day the US overcame China and Italy in the number of active cases...

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #778 on: March 27, 2020, 12:34:06 AM »
Neil Ferguson said ...

the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought

"Slightly" more? Ask Italy! Ask Spain! Heck, ask US as of late! This bloody virus is much more contagious than a common flu, and that's the biggest problem.

I don't know who this Neil Ferguson is but this statement makes me clear he's either an idiot or a liar.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #779 on: March 27, 2020, 12:45:00 AM »
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