Coronavirus thread

[Karl Henning]

BTW, Gov DeSantis of Florida did issue a statewide order yesterday, to take effect tomorrow. He said he did only after tslking to Trump...

Well, he needed to ask leave . . . .

[JBS]

Well, he needed to ask leave . . . .

Fortunately for us, the local officials have prompter, albeit not necessarily as prompt as they might be, especially in Miami. Broward County (mine...Fort Lauderdale for easy reference) has had such an order for almost two weeks, so one hopes the curve will start to flatten here in the next few days.

[Kaga2]

Alas ventilators are a minor effect. Most cases who go on ventilators die, 70-80%. Masks though, particularly for medical personnel, and tests are big deals.

Medtronic, the world's largest medical equipment maker, has given away all their ventilator patents and made available all their blue prints and manufacturing processes to anyone who can make them.

[drogulus]

     Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, who resisted strict coronavirus measures, says he just learned it transmits asymptomatically

      He just learned it.

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R), Kemp's neighboring state leader, has also said some strange things about the data in her state. She said Tuesday of the infections in Alabama: "Y'all, we are not Louisiana, we are not New York state, we are not California." As The Washington Post's Philip Bump noted, though, the rate of the spread in Alabama was similar to the early days of New York and worse than in California.

     Repub dumbfuckery wasn't invented by Trump. It has been building for decades.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Alas ventilators are a minor effect. Most cases who go on ventilators die, 70-80%. Masks though, particularly for medical personnel, and tests are big deals.

Medtronic, the world's largest medical equipment maker, has given away all their ventilator patents and made available all their blue prints and manufacturing processes to anyone who can make them.

Good to hear the news about Medtronics.  Not certain whether or not it's all of their ventilator patents though (don't know how many different models they have).  I found this online (from Forbes magazine):  https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/03/30/medtronic-gives-away-ventilator-design-specs-in-coronavirus-fight-ahead-of-tesla-alliance/#772100b64591

Still, that and their partnership with Tesla....great news!   

Best,

PD

[Que]

Pies in the sky..... I am sorry to say.

There is a lot of talk about the magical appearance of ventilators that are not there yet, nor will they be in the upcoming weeks - when they will actually be needed.

Q

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Pies in the sky..... I am sorry to say.

There is a lot of talk about the magical appearance of ventilators that are not there yet, nor will they be in the upcoming weeks - when they will actually be needed.

Q

Please either read or listen at this article (transcript is also there)...it mentions weeks; how long it ends up being, I don't know but will try and follow the story as best as I can.  I had posted it earlier:  https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825800514/planet-money-the-parable-of-the-piston

[mc ukrneal]

Alas ventilators are a minor effect. Most cases who go on ventilators die, 70-80%.

I've seen data that says 97% to 65%, BUT that is based on limited data. As far as I can see, there really isn't enough data to say what it is with any certainty.

[Kaga2]

Pies in the sky..... I am sorry to say.

There is a lot of talk about the magical appearance of ventilators that are not there yet, nor will they be in the upcoming weeks - when they will actually be needed.

Q

No they won't be. But we are going to need them for a long while yet. With no vaccine the best we can do is flatten and thereby extend the curve. A steady flow of cases with a steady flow of ventilator cases.

[Kaga2]

I've seen data that says 97% to 65%, BUT that is based on limited data. As far as I can see, there really isn't enough data to say what it is with any certainty.

No there isn't, and the stats might be skewed by the lack of ventilators, meaning they go to only more serious cases. Lots of uncertainty.  We need to build them, but they are always just going to be chipping away at the margins.
I think our best hope to avert catastrophe is an effective anti viral and effective testing. The best candidates look to be chloroquine and remdesivir, but neither is proven yet. There are other drugs too.

[Rinaldo]

Hopeful news from Denmark: Researchers in Denmark are starting to test a promising drug in #covid19 patients, barely a month after research appeared showing the drug could stop the virus in cell culture.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Hopeful news from Denmark: Researchers in Denmark are starting to test a promising drug in #covid19 patients, barely a month after research appeared showing the drug could stop the virus in cell culture.

Hope that it works!  Will have to read more about it later....sorry, busy!

[Mirror Image]

I have to say this nasty monster of a virus has caused so many problems for so many people --- myself included. As of today, I have decided that it was in the best interest of my parents health with whom I live with to not return to work as I don't want to expose them to anything nor do I want it myself obviously. I filed for a leave of absence until early June and whether it gets approved or not won't be of much concern to me. The last thing I want is for any of my loved ones to get this virus because of my own selfish 'need' to work when the easiest solution was to just stay home. I have a good bit of paid vacation time that I have accrued over the past year, so I'll definitely be using this.

I hope all of you are doing well or trying to do the best you can. I have never witnessed anything like this of this magnitude, but, if history has taught us anything, the human spirit will prevail --- we just have to try to live each day the only way we know how to. My prayers are with all of you.

[André]

Well said, John. Very well said !

[Kaga2]

I have to say this nasty monster of a virus has caused so many problems for so many people --- myself included. As of today, I have decided that it was in the best interest of my parents health with whom I live with to not return to work as I don't want to expose them to anything nor do I want it myself obviously. I filed for a leave of absence until early June and whether it gets approved or not won't be of much concern to me. The last thing I want is for any of my loved ones to get this virus because of my own selfish 'need' to work when the easiest solution was to just stay home. I have a good bit of paid vacation time that I have accrued over the past year, so I'll definitely be using this.

I hope all of you are doing well or trying to do the best you can. I have never witnessed anything like this of this magnitude, but, if history has taught us anything, the human spirit will prevail --- we just have to try to live each day the only way we know how to. My prayers are with all of you.

Good luck and I think you made a wise choice.

[Florestan]

I have to say this nasty monster of a virus has caused so many problems for so many people --- myself included. As of today, I have decided that it was in the best interest of my parents health with whom I live with to not return to work as I don't want to expose them to anything nor do I want it myself obviously. I filed for a leave of absence until early June and whether it gets approved or not won't be of much concern to me. The last thing I want is for any of my loved ones to get this virus because of my own selfish 'need' to work when the easiest solution was to just stay home. I have a good bit of paid vacation time that I have accrued over the past year, so I'll definitely be using this.

I hope all of you are doing well or trying to do the best you can. I have never witnessed anything like this of this magnitude, but, if history has taught us anything, the human spirit will prevail --- we just have to try to live each day the only way we know how to. My prayers are with all of you.

Thank you, John. Indeed wise choice. Best of luck to you and all your loved ones. Stay safe all!

[Que]

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I have to say this nasty monster of a virus has caused so many problems for so many people --- myself included. As of today, I have decided that it was in the best interest of my parents health with whom I live with to not return to work as I don't want to expose them to anything nor do I want it myself obviously. I filed for a leave of absence until early June and whether it gets approved or not won't be of much concern to me. The last thing I want is for any of my loved ones to get this virus because of my own selfish 'need' to work when the easiest solution was to just stay home. I have a good bit of paid vacation time that I have accrued over the past year, so I'll definitely be using this.

I hope all of you are doing well or trying to do the best you can. I have never witnessed anything like this of this magnitude, but, if history has taught us anything, the human spirit will prevail --- we just have to try to live each day the only way we know how to. My prayers are with all of you.

John,

I thought that your governor ordered a shelter-in-place recently?  I saw something online dated March 25th which only said that it was for two weeks though?  Are you considered as working for an essential service?  Can you provide a link to the official website?

Am surprised at the stubbornness of some states and people in terms of wanting to still have religious services (in person--not via Zoom or some other virtual way).     I think that they (the services) are still allowed in some states...like Georgia?

Stay safe and wishing the best for you and your parents.   

Best wishes,

PD

[Kaga2]

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

I don't trust China's numbers.

[drogulus]

I don't trust China's numbers.

     C.I.A. Hunts for Authentic Virus Totals in China, Dismissing Government Tallies

But American intelligence agencies have concluded that the Chinese government itself does not know the extent of the virus and is as blind as the rest of the world. Midlevel bureaucrats in the city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, and elsewhere in China have been lying about infection rates, testing and death counts, fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said.