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SimonNZ

Venezuela's Covid-19 death toll claims 'not credible', human rights group says

"Venezuelan claims that fewer than a dozen people have died in the country from Covid-19 are nonsensical and likely dramatically underestimate the severity of the situation there, Human Rights Watch activists have claimed.

The South American country, which faced a historic economic depression even before the pandemic, reported its first Covid-19 cases on 13 March and has since confirmed 1,121 cases and 10 deaths.

Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela's authoritarian ruler, has imposed a strict lockdown and urged citizens to exercise "maximum discipline" to defeat the coronavirus.

But on Tuesday the New York-based human rights group questioned Venezuela's official figures as it released a new report on the health crisis facing the Caribbean nation.

"We believe the figures and the statistics that the Venezuelan government is providing – Maduro's statistics – are absolutely absurd and are not credible," said José Miguel Vivanco, the Americas director at Human Rights Watch.

Kathleen Page, a physician from the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine involved in the report, said she had interviewed Venezuelan health professionals who had "indicated that even when they see confirmed cases of Covid-19 they are not being reported in the epidemiological reports".

The study is based on interviews with medical professionals in five Venezuelan states – Anzoátegui, Barinas, Bolívar, Lara and Zulia – and the capital, Caracas."[...]

SimonNZ

Argentina cordons off virus-hit slum as critics decry 'ghettoes for poor people'
Drastic measures are being taken to contain the coronavirus in the Villa Azul area of Buenos Aires which has emerged as a hotspot


"Security forces in Argentina have cordoned off one of the country's poorest slums, preventing inhabitants from entering or leaving the neighbourhood after a surge of coronavirus cases.

Police officers erected barriers at the entrance to Villa Azul on the outskirts of Buenos Aires on Monday after widespread testing was launched in poorer districts.

By Wednesday, 174 of 301 tests carried out in Villa Azul had come back positive, and officials expressed concern that if the 4,000 or so inhabitants of the neighbourhood were allowed to move freely, they could spread the virus to other areas nearby.

"This is worse than a nuclear explosion," said Sergio Berni, the security minister for
Buenos Aires, on Wednesday. "At least you can measure radioactivity in real time. With this [virus], it's 14 days late."

But the move was criticized by local activists and even members of Argentina's leftwing government. "It looks like we are creating ghettoes for poor people," said a junior minister for social development, Daniel Menéndez.

Daniel Gollán, health minister of Buenos Aires province, dismissed the charge. "We are working with the neighbourhood organisations, first to cut off the chain of contagion, and second to prevent people from leaving or entering because there is a much larger neighbourhood just next door."

So far, no deaths have been reported in Villa Azul, Gollán said.

Intensive testing is also being carried out in Villa Itatí, an equally destitute area nearby, which is home to about 15,000 people."[...]

SimonNZ

Colombian designers prepare cardboard hospital beds that double as coffins
As coronavirus cases soar in Latin America, doctors say unorthodox idea may be necessary


"A cardboard hospital bed that doubles as a coffin may seem morbid, but as Latin America emerges as the latest coronavirus hotspot, doctors have suggested it may be an innovation whose time has come.

With Covid-19 cases surging across the region, a team of Colombian designers came up with the idea as a grimly pragmatic solution for anticipated shortages of hospital beds and funerary caskets."[...]


Todd

The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

premont

Quote from: Todd on May 28, 2020, 04:45:53 AM
Up to 80% of COVID-19 Infections Are Asymptomatic, a New Case Report Says

Actually this is fewer than some experts thought a month ago.
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Todd

The Spanish Flu Didn't Wreck the Global Economy

What Is Different About the Coronavirus Pandemic?



Quote from: Walter ScheidelToday, the selective empathy of privilege amplifies existing inequalities. Thanks to Social Security and Medicare, Americans have long been in the habit of transferring wealth from young to old. But now they have taken the more radical step of destroying resources—by shrinking the economy—to safeguard the often few remaining years of those most at risk from COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Technology renders this gambit least painful for the most protected, those who can hope to ride out the storm from the relative security of their home offices and higher-paying work.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

premont

A new statement from the Danish health authorities (Statens Seruminstitut) says, that as much as 500  of 524 Danish corona deaths happened with patients who had been hospitalized before because of chronic health problems.

Reference (in Danish):

https://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/politik/danskpolitik/ny-kortlaegning-faa-doede-udelukkende-af-corona/8140515

Google translate:

At the time of writing, Denmark has registered 565 'coronary deaths'.
But now, a new and comprehensive survey from the State Serum Institute shows that the corona itself is a very small percentage of this number.
A total of 24 people who, prior to the epidemic, did not suffer from a chronic disease, died of corona.
Most of them were over 80 years old.
Seven died under age 70
Extra Bladet has also asked the Serum Institute for a figure for how many already healthy people under 70 have died of corona so far.
The answer from the institute is seven.
However, this does not necessarily mean that the seven people have been completely healthy, says one of the researchers behind the study, a consultant at the Department of Clinical Epidemiology at Aarhus University Hospital Reimar W. Thomsen.
- We have only looked at those who have not previously been hospitalized for a chronic disorder. This does not mean that they cannot have a chronic illness. They may have had it, but at least it's not something that has been dealt with in hospital, he says.
No people without chronic illnesses under the age of 60 have died, the statement shows, and even people up to the age of 80 have had a high survival rate if they did not already suffer from one or more chronic diseases, the conclusion reads.
The mapping of coronary deaths in Denmark is the first of its kind. The Serum Institute has reviewed 9500 Danish coronary patients and the calculation was made at a time when 524 coronary deaths were recorded.
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MusicTurner

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Quote from: (: premont :) on May 28, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
A new statement from the Danish health authorities (Statens Seruminstitut) says, that as much as 500  of 524 Danish corona deaths happened with patients who had been hospitalized before because of chronic health problems.

Reference (in Danish):

https://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/politik/danskpolitik/ny-kortlaegning-faa-doede-udelukkende-af-corona/8140515

(...) (...)

No people without chronic illnesses under the age of 60 have died, the statement shows, and even people up to the age of 80 have had a high survival rate if they did not already suffer from one or more chronic diseases, the conclusion reads.
The mapping of coronary deaths in Denmark is the first of its kind. The Serum Institute has reviewed 9500 Danish coronary patients and the calculation was made at a time when 524 coronary deaths were recorded.

Interesting, thanks. I think we really need a better definition of those chronic diseases - were they all of a very serious character, or is a milder, chronic disease also counted, such as somewhat higher blood pressure, or mild asthma, or mild heart problems, or whatever? The article doesn't deal with that, but the information will eventually turn up.

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Sweden:
A critical story about the much-published experts Tegnell and Giesecke: Giesecke has been paid for his support to the Swedish herd immunity policy since March 23rd, and contrary to what he says, Giesecke does apparently not work as a consultant for the WHO.

DN is a major Swedish newspaper.
https://twitter.com/KeFuller/status/1266034965743120385
https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/giesecke-har-miljonavtal-med-folkhalsomyndigheten-nu-dras-faktura-tillbaka/
https://blogg.vk.se/janhagglund/2020/05/27/johan-giesecke-far-betalt-da-han-forsvarar-folkhalsomyndighetens-agerande-detta-har-inte-framgatt-las-journalistens-avslojande/

premont

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Quote from: MusicTurner on May 28, 2020, 09:04:12 AM
Interesting, thanks. I think we really need a better definition of those chronic diseases - were they all of a very serious character, or is a milder, chronic disease also counted, such as somewhat higher blood pressure, or mild asthma, or mild heart problems, or whatever? The article doesn't deal with that, but the information will eventually turn up.

Mild cases, which the general practitioner can manage, are left out, as they don't need hospitalization.. So whether mild and well treated cases of asthma, COLD, diabetes mellitus and arterial hypertension aggravate the corona disease or not, we don't know, because the 24 patients who died but were characterized as being healthy, may have had mild diseases of that kind. The report doesn't consider whether this - if present - was of any importance. But I think we can say, that the risk of becoming seriously ill with corona is very small, if one only has mild comorbidity.
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MusicTurner

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Quote from: (: premont :) on May 28, 2020, 11:19:39 AM
Mild cases, which the general practitioner can manage, are left out, as they don't need hospitalization.. So mild and well treated cases of asthma, COLD, diabetes mellitus and arterial hypertension apparently don't aggravate the corona disease, we don't know, because the 24 patients, which were characterized as being healthy, may have had mild diseases of that kind. The report doesn't consider whether this - if present - was of any importance. But I think we can say, that the risk of becoming seriously ill with corona is very small, if one only has mild comorbidity.

Agreed, this seems to be the conclusion reached so far, plus previous hospitalization seems to be the factor, that is worsening one's prospects somewhat.

I assume that the passage describing this for the 7 otherwise healthy fatalities under the age of 70, should also be extended to all of the mentioned, allegedly healthy 24 cases, though this is perhaps a little unclear in the article's text.

But still: what diseases are meant; when, how, and for how long did hospitalization take place, etc. Plus, did the apparently healthy people have milder or fluctuating, similar diseases.

According to some sources, a lack of vitamines, especially Vitamine D, may also influence the severity of the disease,
https://theconversation.com/does-vitamin-d-protect-against-coronavirus-138001
but we hear a lot of theories these days.

drogulus

     This map shows where new cases are rising and falling. Blue is falling, light orange is the same, dark orange is rising and red is Hotspotland.

     
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Ratliff

The state of Texas is proceeding with progressive re-opening despite the fact that reported new infections are at a record level in the state. Oh dear, I guess it is inevitable. The rational, as I understood it, was "we will close down until testing and contract tracing can be made adequate." I guess the new rational is, "we have no intention of doing that, so we might as well reopen."

We will see what happens. Given the epidemiological parameters it is inevitable that basically everyone will get it eventually. It is just a matter of when.

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Baron Scarpia on June 04, 2020, 06:45:02 AM
The state of Texas is proceeding with progressive re-opening despite the fact that reported new infections are at a record level in the state. Oh dear, I guess it is inevitable. The rational, as I understood it, was "we will close down until testing and contract tracing can be made adequate." I guess the new rational is, "we have no intention of doing that, so we might as well reopen."

We will see what happens. Given the epidemiological parameters it is inevitable that basically everyone will get it eventually. It is just a matter of when.
Wow!  Will you be able to work from home?  Or will you have to work with/meet up with people very often?

PD

p.s.  Hope that wife and baby-on-board and the young one are all doing well?
Pohjolas Daughter

Ratliff

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Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on June 04, 2020, 06:56:11 AM
Wow!  Will you be able to work from home?  Or will you have to work with/meet up with people very often?

PD

p.s.  Hope that wife and baby-on-board and the young one are all doing well?

Working from home for the immediate future. When I do return it will be a small office which will entail very limited additional contacts.

We are all surviving, the unfolding of the economic impacts of this is the most worrying aspect of it. Actually getting sick doesn't even cross my mind these days. We live in the Houston area and in the supermarket you mostly see people dutifully wearing their masks. No people brandishing assault rifles in order to defend themself with deadly force, if necessary, against libtards who would compel them to wear masks.

greg

Quote from: Baron Scarpia on June 04, 2020, 06:45:02 AM
The state of Texas is proceeding with progressive re-opening despite the fact that reported new infections are at a record level in the state. Oh dear, I guess it is inevitable. The rational, as I understood it, was "we will close down until testing and contract tracing can be made adequate." I guess the new rational is, "we have no intention of doing that, so we might as well reopen."

We will see what happens. Given the epidemiological parameters it is inevitable that basically everyone will get it eventually. It is just a matter of when.
My employer is wise, we are supposedly working from home until at least September. Makes sense for IT, productivity is not reduced at all.

The gyms have re-opened recently here in SA so I gotta work out again but be safe as possible somehow... also same with hair cut places...
Wagie wagie get back in the cagie

Mandryka

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Todd

The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya


Karl Henning

Retail, dining, and many other businesses can begin to reopen in Massachusetts today

Indeed, I just got word suggesting that First Church in Boston is resuming services: the organist informs me that he selected a piece of mine for the prelude this Sunday, 14 June
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
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nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

drogulus


     Shutdowns prevented 60 million coronavirus infections in the U.S., study finds

Shutdown orders prevented about 60 million novel coronavirus infections in the United States and 285 million in China, according to a research study published Monday that examined how stay-at-home orders and other restrictions limited the spread of the contagion.

A separate study from epidemiologists at Imperial College London estimated the shutdowns saved about 3.1 million lives in 11 European countries, including 500,000 in the United Kingdom, and dropped infection rates by an average of 82 percent, sufficient to drive the contagion well below epidemic levels.

The two reports, published simultaneously Monday in the journal Nature, used completely different methods to reach similar conclusions. They suggest that the aggressive and unprecedented shutdowns, which caused massive economic disruptions and job losses, were effective at halting the exponential spread of the novel coronavirus.


     

     
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