George Lloyd

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Maestro267

The Symphonic Mass is one of my favourite works of Lloyd's as well. Sometimes it is my favourite. The climax to the Sanctus is absolutely stunning!

J.Z. Herrenberg

I just listened. Yes, a very inspired piece. I don't know what I missed the first time... Now it spoke to me much more strongly. As a Catholic convert (2014) who sings in a choir during Mass (we sing works by Haydn, Mozart, Gounod, Bruckner and others), it was wonderful to hear what Lloyd does with words I know so well (although, since Vatican II, we don't sing the Credo anymore, which is a pity). Lloyd's Credo is tremendous, especially the passage dealing with the Incarnation. The Credo and the Sanctus are the high points for me, too. Great music!
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

relm1

Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2022, 03:58:40 AM
I just listened. Yes, a very inspired piece. I don't know what I missed the first time... Now it spoke to me much more strongly. As a Catholic convert (2014) who sings in a choir during Mass (we sing works by Haydn, Mozart, Gounod, Bruckner and others), it was wonderful to hear what Lloyd does with words I know so well (although, since Vatican II, we don't sing the Credo anymore, which is a pity). Lloyd's Credo is tremendous, especially the passage dealing with the Incarnation. The Credo and the Sanctus are the high points for me, too. Great music!

Why was the credo dropped?

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: relm1 on June 06, 2022, 05:17:43 AM
Why was the credo dropped?


They wanted everyone to be involved in the profession of faith. So they dropped the Credo movements from the masses and let everyone say the Credo (or sing it from a hymnal). In the Requiem they scrapped the Dies Irae (people don't like Hell much, or mentioning God's wrath).
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

kyjo

Great to see some other admirers of the magnificent Symphonic Mass! It's a work that's had such a great impact on me.
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

relm1

Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2022, 05:25:10 AM

They wanted everyone to be involved in the profession of faith. So they dropped the Credo movements from the masses and let everyone say the Credo (or sing it from a hymnal). In the Requiem they scrapped the Dies Irae (people don't like Hell much, or mentioning God's wrath).

But the credo and Dies Irae are some of the best sources for music!

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: relm1 on June 13, 2022, 06:09:16 AM
But the credo and Dies Irae are some of the best sources for music!


I know. Our choir knows... But that's Vatican II for you.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

vandermolen

Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 13, 2022, 06:56:13 AM

I know. Our choir knows... But that's Vatican II for you.

Your inbox is full Johan. Happy Birthday!  ;D
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: vandermolen on June 13, 2022, 02:04:05 PM
Your inbox is full Johan. Happy Birthday!  ;D


Thanks!


I know... But to get to my Inbox I have to subscribe again. I'll have a think.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Løvfald

Happy birthday, Mr. Herrenberg! Good to see someone else listening to Langgaard, Graener, Juon and Bruckner currently.
Music is the hidden arithmetical exercise of a mind unconscious that is calculating.

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz



As we acquire knowledge, things do not become more comprehensible, but more mysterious.

Albert Schweitzer

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on June 13, 2022, 03:48:51 PM
Happy birthday, Mr. Herrenberg! Good to see someone else listening to Langgaard, Graener, Juon and Bruckner currently.


Thank you! And well-spotted! Paul Graener, especially, was really a great find. His Symphony in D minor, Turmwächterlied, and Symphonietta, are all strongly recommended. If history hadn't tainted his name, these works would be on the repertoire.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Løvfald

Has anyone ever heard The Vigil of Venus? I'm curious about this work.
Music is the hidden arithmetical exercise of a mind unconscious that is calculating.

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz



As we acquire knowledge, things do not become more comprehensible, but more mysterious.

Albert Schweitzer

Maestro267

It's not on masterpiece level like the Symphonic Mass.

relm1

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on August 30, 2022, 11:27:46 AM
Has anyone ever heard The Vigil of Venus? I'm curious about this work.

I like it.  Found it quasi-operatic.  I also prefer Symphonic Mass but remember enjoying it.

Løvfald

Thanks for the comments. Yet another work on the pile to investigate.
Music is the hidden arithmetical exercise of a mind unconscious that is calculating.

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz



As we acquire knowledge, things do not become more comprehensible, but more mysterious.

Albert Schweitzer