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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #480 on: June 06, 2022, 02:36:34 AM »
The Symphonic Mass is one of my favourite works of Lloyd's as well. Sometimes it is my favourite. The climax to the Sanctus is absolutely stunning!

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #481 on: June 06, 2022, 02:58:40 AM »
I just listened. Yes, a very inspired piece. I don't know what I missed the first time... Now it spoke to me much more strongly. As a Catholic convert (2014) who sings in a choir during Mass (we sing works by Haydn, Mozart, Gounod, Bruckner and others), it was wonderful to hear what Lloyd does with words I know so well (although, since Vatican II, we don't sing the Credo anymore, which is a pity). Lloyd's Credo is tremendous, especially the passage dealing with the Incarnation. The Credo and the Sanctus are the high points for me, too. Great music!
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #482 on: June 06, 2022, 04:17:43 AM »
I just listened. Yes, a very inspired piece. I don't know what I missed the first time... Now it spoke to me much more strongly. As a Catholic convert (2014) who sings in a choir during Mass (we sing works by Haydn, Mozart, Gounod, Bruckner and others), it was wonderful to hear what Lloyd does with words I know so well (although, since Vatican II, we don't sing the Credo anymore, which is a pity). Lloyd's Credo is tremendous, especially the passage dealing with the Incarnation. The Credo and the Sanctus are the high points for me, too. Great music!

Why was the credo dropped?

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #483 on: June 06, 2022, 04:25:10 AM »
Why was the credo dropped?


They wanted everyone to be involved in the profession of faith. So they dropped the Credo movements from the masses and let everyone say the Credo (or sing it from a hymnal). In the Requiem they scrapped the Dies Irae (people don't like Hell much, or mentioning God's wrath).
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #484 on: June 12, 2022, 10:30:56 AM »
Great to see some other admirers of the magnificent Symphonic Mass! It's a work that's had such a great impact on me.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #485 on: June 13, 2022, 05:09:16 AM »

They wanted everyone to be involved in the profession of faith. So they dropped the Credo movements from the masses and let everyone say the Credo (or sing it from a hymnal). In the Requiem they scrapped the Dies Irae (people don't like Hell much, or mentioning God's wrath).

But the credo and Dies Irae are some of the best sources for music!

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #486 on: June 13, 2022, 05:56:13 AM »
But the credo and Dies Irae are some of the best sources for music!


I know. Our choir knows... But that's Vatican II for you.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #487 on: June 13, 2022, 01:04:05 PM »

I know. Our choir knows... But that's Vatican II for you.

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #488 on: June 13, 2022, 01:15:49 PM »
Your inbox is full Johan. Happy Birthday!  ;D


Thanks!


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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #489 on: June 13, 2022, 02:48:51 PM »
Happy birthday, Mr. Herrenberg! Good to see someone else listening to Langgaard, Graener, Juon and Bruckner currently.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #490 on: June 13, 2022, 02:56:50 PM »
Happy birthday, Mr. Herrenberg! Good to see someone else listening to Langgaard, Graener, Juon and Bruckner currently.


Thank you! And well-spotted! Paul Graener, especially, was really a great find. His Symphony in D minor, Turmwächterlied, and Symphonietta, are all strongly recommended. If history hadn't tainted his name, these works would be on the repertoire.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato