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Quote from: SimonNZ on June 10, 2020, 04:50:42 PM
Well. thanks for the "undecided" emoji. Stop, your're making me blush. Will it be different? That's the experiment, isn't it?

Any thoughts on the post above about Trump sending a cease and desist order for a poll he didn't like?

To be honest, I'm sick and tired of politics and talking about them. I've pretty much quit watching the news, because it's depressing and has in no way benefited my own life. Anyway, I believe a person should live their own lives and that there are evil people out there that will do you harm no matter what the consequences are, but since there has been man, there has been evil. Nothing will ever change. That's all I'm going to say.

Todd

Quote from: JBS on June 10, 2020, 05:58:23 PM
Trump has announced that he will have his first rally in Tulsa next week on June 19.

This, coming on top of his tweet today announcing that the army bases named after Confederate generals will not be renamed, has left  people wondering if he's truly ignorant or really does want to stick his  thumb in the eye of  America's  blacks.

If the date and place don't ring a bell, google Juneteenth and Black  Wall Street.


Trump has used race-baiting as one of his primary political tools since he came down the escalator.  Before, even.  He thinks it's a winner.  It helped in 2016.  It won't be as effective this time around.  Massive protests in the streets are occasionally correlated with party changes in the White House (eg, 1968, 1992).
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Todd

Quote from: Dowder on June 10, 2020, 06:53:56 PM
What was also unique to '68 and '92? Third party candidates who took disgruntled voters away. Wallace and Perot changed the outcome of those presidential races. No such candidate this year to siphon off voters.


Correct.  That means no one to siphon voters from Biden.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Todd

Quote from: Dowder on June 10, 2020, 08:23:12 PMIf we can get a full economic rebound by the end of summer


There is a 0% probability of that occurring.  The Fed is projecting 9.3% U3 at end of year, with a massive 6.5% drop in GDP.  Slick Willy's admonition holds today as it did in '92.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Karl Henning

#44
Although it is already well established that the public health is not a priority for Trump: "Trump announces rallies in states where new infections are surging."

"Texas, Arkansas, South Carolina, Nevada, Arizona, North Carolina, Oregon, Florida and Utah all set new highs in seven-day rolling case averages Wednesday, according to Post data.
Montana, Arkansas, Utah, Arizona and Texas have all seen coronavirus hospitalizations rise by at least 35 percent in the weeks since Memorial Day."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Of course, President Disinformation is pretending that we are "post-coronavirus" the presidential idiocy is criminal and lethal.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Todd

Quote from: Dowder on June 11, 2020, 06:09:36 AMI know, but unlike '92 other countries are facing contraction due to Covid-19, so people understand there's an extraordinary reason for the unemployment and not something triggered by bad or reckless policies by Trump.


Voters understood that the '07-'08 recession was not caused by Bush and the Republican Party, that the '90-'91 recession was not caused by a different Bush, that the '80 recession was not caused by Carter, and so on.  The top guy takes too much credit for good times, and takes too much blame for bad times.  It comes with the job.  The economy alone will sink Trump.  Combine that with his very poor response to the public health aspects of Covid, which cannot outweigh his very strong economic response to the crisis, and the ineffectiveness of his race-baiting this time around, and he's facing a triple whammy.  Americans can elect another doddering old man who says racist things to be president.  If Super-Creepy 46 selects a woman of color as his veep, voters can assuage their consciences by voting for a ticket that looks like America, to use vapid political parlance.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

geralmar


Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

drogulus


     Federal Arrests Show No Sign that Antifa Plotted Protests

A review of the arrests of dozens of people on federal charges reveals no known effort by antifa to perpetrate a coordinated campaign of violence. Some criminal complaints described vague, anti-government political leanings among suspects, but the majority of the violent acts that have taken place at protests have been attributed by federal prosecutors to individuals with no affiliation to any particular group.

Even so, Attorney General William P. Barr has blamed antifa for orchestrating the mass protests, which broke out in cities and towns across the country following the death in police custody of George Floyd. "There is clearly some high degree of organization involved at some of these events and coordinated tactics that we are seeing," Mr. Barr said. "Some of it relates to antifa, some of it relates to groups that act very much like antifa."


     Barr does the "usual suspects" thing blatantly. Facts, enlightenment and criminology are absent.

     Antifa members are not shy. If they are involved they will let you know. They want people to know they are fighting fascism.

     Antifa is organized at the local level. There's no formal national leadership.

     Barr opines that mass protests are organized by antifa. That fails completely. Antifa members might participate, and probably do.

     It remains to be determined how the protests were organized and how centralized the process was.

     
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Todd

Quote from: Dowder on June 11, 2020, 11:32:19 AMDifference was those recessions were caused within the structure and linked those administrations far more to the contraction while Covid-19 has nothing to do with fiscal or monetary policies, trade, the stock market, regulations, etc.


The cause does not matter. 


Quote from: Dowder on June 11, 2020, 11:32:19 AMhe'll still be able to blame China since they covered it up initially


No, he won't.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Karl Henning

Chump says COVID-19 is now "reduced to the embers and ashes of a spent pandemic." 1299 Americans died of COVID on Tuesday.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

JBS

Quote from: Todd on June 11, 2020, 12:16:52 PM

The cause does not matter. 



No, he won't.

Exactly. A competent POTUS would have taken into account that the Chinese might have been lying and the WHO bumbling, and taken steps to prepare for the virus to spread. In which the death toll would not be as high, the lockdown measures not necessarily as stringent, the economic consequences possibly not as bad.

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drogulus

Quote from: JBS on June 11, 2020, 12:42:07 PM
Exactly. A competent POTUS would have taken into account that the Chinese might have been lying and the WHO bumbling, and taken steps to prepare for the virus to spread.

     He was told in January by his intelligence advisors that the Chinese were covering up the extent of the virus spread.

     The WHO depends on the cooperation of sovereign governments and is wary of getting on the wrong side of the most powerful members in particular. In addition they didn't want to be kicked out of the country. So while accurate information about conditions arrived from the same Chinese researchers the ChiComs were squelching, the WHO delayed the announcement of human to human spread. They fumbled at the announcement level undoubtedly for the reason I cite. This didn't delay by much the information that the transmission was occurring and can't be turned into an excuse for the massive and deadly failure in the US national response and appointing evangelical twerp Dr. Redfield to headless the CDC.

     
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Karl Henning

Martin Gugino has suffered brain damage, and is aware of it.

Seperately, Donald Litigious Trump is requiring liability waivers for anyone attending the rallies which only his infantile neediness requires.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Todd

Quote from: Dowder on June 11, 2020, 05:57:47 PM
Yea it does, as it is fundamentally different from others recessions.


Incorrect in two ways.  First, it is not fundamentally different.  Second, people invariably vote against the party in power during Depressions.  If you insist on the importance of the external nature of the cause, then the election of 1896 is instructive.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

arpeggio

Quote from: Dowder on June 11, 2020, 05:57:47 PM
The Never Trumpers act like the rest of the world hasn't been affected by Covid-19.


Really? Of course we appreciate the effect of Covid19.

arpeggio

Quote from: Dowder on June 11, 2020, 06:05:09 PM
Link?


What the  :o

Are you the only one here who does not know this.


Karl Henning

Trump acts like the only American whose risk of COVID-19 matters is his precious self
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

From a recent column by Geo. Will.  the overall piece discusses how Trump's troop withdrawal from Germany is both ill-advised, and petulantly puerile.  The excerpt is offered for Todd, as an example of how scorn can be eloquently rhetorical rather than merely the extrusion of pettiness.

"Trump is terrified of appearing weak. Polls indicate an increasing probability that he will slink away a loser. He makes some national security decisions from petulance. And he is fascinated with the military as a presidential toy for his amusement, self-expression and political posturing (e.g., the testosterone spill in Lafayette Square)."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot