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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #4300 on: October 18, 2020, 01:01:24 PM »
I think many Americans don't even know what it's like to not get screwed. It's so normal for them to get screwed in everything.  :-\

Their fine with getting screwed as long as they are ensured that those people will get screwed even harder.

“The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.” -- Davis X. Machina

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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #4301 on: October 18, 2020, 01:41:55 PM »
Their fine with getting screwed as long as they are ensured that those people will get screwed even harder.

“The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.” -- Davis X. Machina

That's called idiotism.
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« Reply #4302 on: October 18, 2020, 01:52:17 PM »
They're fine with getting screwed as long as they are ensured that those people will get screwed even harder.

“The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.” -- Davis X. Machina

Not far from the truth.
I once tried to understand this phenomenon, and read books such as Deer Hunting with Jesus by Joe Bageant and What's the matter with Kansas? by Thomas Frank. Neither one new, both recommendable, but I remain puzzled.

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« Reply #4303 on: October 18, 2020, 02:36:41 PM »
That's called idiotism.

I like this phrase coined by Paul Campos: "apocalyptic Calvinism on meth" or ACOM

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/10/keeping-the-american-right-wing-respectable

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« Reply #4304 on: October 18, 2020, 02:45:34 PM »
I like this phrase coined by Paul Campos: "apocalyptic Calvinism on meth" or ACOM

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/10/keeping-the-american-right-wing-respectable

That's an excellent article! (Sadly)

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« Reply #4305 on: October 18, 2020, 03:04:23 PM »

     
Sounds anticlimactic  :D

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« Reply #4306 on: October 18, 2020, 03:25:18 PM »
That's an excellent article! (Sadly)

I used to follow a lot of blogs back in the heyday of blogging.  Now it's pretty much just Lawyers, Guns & Money and Digby.

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« Reply #4307 on: October 18, 2020, 03:39:02 PM »
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #4308 on: October 19, 2020, 06:10:10 AM »
Federal judge strikes down Trump plan to slash food stamps for 700,000 unemployed Americans
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« Reply #4309 on: October 19, 2020, 06:17:23 AM »
Over the past few weeks I’ve been thinking about how much the 2020 campaign has also been defined by Trump’s fighting. But what’s struck me has been the people and things he’s not fighting that are revealing.

These non-fights began to envelop him when he was confronted with [l’affaire] “white nationalism” at the first debate. Trump handed out some Proud atta Boys, then refused to condemn it, and then finally, reluctantly, days later, said the words. His defenders then bristled that surely this was enough.

But it was so obviously not enough, because when Trump wants to condemn someone, you know it. He is not a subtle man. The leveling of harsh condemnations, his willingness to “go there” when others will not because of politesse, were literally his raison d’etre in the eyes of the GOP.

Pay Attention to Who Trump Spends His Time "Fighting"
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« Reply #4310 on: October 19, 2020, 06:19:51 AM »
Federal judge strikes down Trump plan to slash food stamps for 700,000 unemployed Americans
Trump wanted to slash food stamps?!  ???  Why, oh why, am surprised?

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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #4311 on: October 19, 2020, 06:33:03 AM »
Note especially: 47% of Fox News viewers think it "makes our country better" when "Americans" protest unfairness. Only 10% of Fox News viewers think "it makes our country better" when "Black Americans" protest
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #4312 on: October 19, 2020, 08:14:18 AM »
"You cannot find a Republican admitting that Trump’s disastrous handling of the novel coronavirus — the central issue in this campaign — is a big reason he’s losing. For these Republicans, the very existence of Trump’s authorship of this catastrophe cannot be acknowledged. So public revulsion over this sick and dying elephant in the room — and the role that’s playing in Trump’s travails — also cannot be conceded.

“A lot of Republican consultants are frustrated because we want the president’s campaign to be laser-focused on the economy,” one GOP strategist tells the Times, adding that the message should be that “Trump built a great economy” that has since been damaged by coronavirus."
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« Reply #4313 on: October 19, 2020, 08:17:19 AM »
"You cannot find a Republican admitting that Trump’s disastrous handling of the novel coronavirus — the central issue in this campaign — is a big reason he’s losing. For these Republicans, the very existence of Trump’s authorship of this catastrophe cannot be acknowledged. So public revulsion over this sick and dying elephant in the room — and the role that’s playing in Trump’s travails — also cannot be conceded.

“A lot of Republican consultants are frustrated because we want the president’s campaign to be laser-focused on the economy,” one GOP strategist tells the Times, adding that the message should be that “Trump built a great economy” that has since been damaged by coronavirus."

"“All Trump has to do is give people permission to vote for him," one GOP source tells Axios, as if the past four years never happened and the only problem is that Trump isn’t letting his opponent’s negatives sink him.

It’s true that all this shows that Trump is both overly prone to having faith in the fearsome power of right wing disinformation and that he’s trapped in 2016, a blissful time when he was the largely unknown outsider that undecided voters might take a chance on over an opponent who had been defined negatively in the public eye for decades."
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #4314 on: October 19, 2020, 08:27:26 AM »
Geo. Will: So, American voters should ask: Which candidate can be trusted to cope with foreign dangers calmly, assisted by a well-functioning national security apparatus? Is it the candidate who has had two secretaries of defense and state, and four national security advisers, who considers Xi Jinping a “friend,” who sided with Putin against the U.S. intelligence agencies concerning Russian interference in the 2016 election and who tweeted “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea” because he spent a few hours with Kim Jong Un, with whom he had an epistolary romance (“We fell in love”)? Or is it the other candidate?
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« Reply #4315 on: October 19, 2020, 09:15:49 AM »
"In competitive Senate races across the country, including states where Trump remains popular, Republican incumbents are facing a conundrum: how to prove their pro-Trump bona fides to a MAGA movement that sees many longtime Republicans as insufficiently pure while stopping the hemorrhaging among suburban moderates who wonder why they have enabled the president.

The result for Ernst and as many as a half-dozen of her GOP colleagues may be the worst of both worlds, in which they risk alienating energized Trump backers if they criticize the president but then, if they stick with him, lose some centrist voters who have soured on Trump and are open to voting for a Democrat."
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« Reply #4316 on: October 19, 2020, 11:19:49 AM »
Not far from the truth.
I once tried to understand this phenomenon, and read books such as Deer Hunting with Jesus by Joe Bageant and What's the matter with Kansas? by Thomas Frank. Neither one new, both recommendable, but I remain puzzled.

     It's easy to understand if you imagine that resentment is a strong motivator, not just for a particular group but for people everywhere regardless of their economic status. On this view the question is what else motivates people. One imagines that the prospect of an additional goat is sufficient motivation to override killing the one the neighbor has, but only if that prospect is realistic. In Red Zones and working class areas abandoned by New Democrats the prospects for advancement are pretty poor as people who live there see it. They have been right more often than wrong. God, guns and gays don't pay the bills, but do own the libs.
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« Reply #4317 on: October 19, 2020, 04:09:52 PM »
Even Fox News passed on Rudy Giuliani's shady Hunter Biden laptop story due to the "lack of authentication of Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop, combined with established concerns about Giuliani as a reliable source and his desire for unvetted publication."
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #4318 on: October 19, 2020, 06:19:04 PM »
New Yorker Suspends Jeffrey Toobin After Zoom Incident

Down goes Toobin, one of the sharpest legal minds the New Yorker and CNN could field. 
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« Reply #4319 on: October 19, 2020, 06:27:36 PM »
New Yorker Suspends Jeffrey Toobin After Zoom Incident

Down goes Toobin, one of the sharpest legal minds the New Yorker and CNN could field. 
"Incident" is being polite...

He should have helicoptered after whipping it out, and made swooshing noises and started running around the room, trying to take off. At least make it entertaining, instead of just awkward.
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