USA Politics

[Karl Henning]

     I'm not as concerned with what people are having to say. The shortest route to getting everyone covered will involve people who have said different things at different times.

Verily and forsooth.

[Sterna]

Quoth Ronald St Reagan: "Facts are stupid things."

Quoth indeed.

"Facts are stupid things... stubborn things, I should say."
[Followed by laughter from Reagan's audience, at the 1988 Republican National Convention]

The 'original' quote is of course is from POTUS John Adams, 1770:
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the states of facts and evidence."

218 years between Adams and Reagan's slip of the tongue (you know, a slip of the tongue, a bit like Biden...).

Only 28 years between Reagan and Trump with his 'alternative facts'... without any slip of the tongue.
On the whole, just a small step in time.
But a giant leap backwards for mankind.

[Karl Henning]

Poju, this, too is opinion, rather than fact, per se, but it is from a center-left guy, so entirely different to Kulinski.  about 37 minutes into this podcast is an opinion about why Biden became the nominee.

[Karl Henning]

Poju, this, too is opinion, rather than fact, per se, but it is from a center-left guy, so entirely different to Kulinski.  about 37 minutes into this podcast is an opinion about why Biden became the nominee.

Will Saletan's closing observation: Hillary had a ceiling, there were people who just weren't going to vote for her; Joe Biden is already well above that.

[drogulus]

     Trump Supporters Pass Out From the Heat at Tampa Rally: Reports

     Freeze 'em, heat 'em, hell with them if they can't take a joke.

     

[71 dB]

Poju, this, too is opinion, rather than fact, per se, but it is from a center-left guy, so entirely different to Kulinski.  about 37 minutes into this podcast is an opinion about why Biden became the nominee.

Entirely different to Kulinski? Huh? I'd say Kulinski would agree 75 % with that. How was that entirely different to Kulinski? Huh?

I listened from 36:00 to 42:00 or so

[71 dB]

     Trump Supporters Pass Out From the Heat at Tampa Rally: Reports

     Freeze 'em, heat 'em, hell with them if they can't take a joke.

   

Trump is testing how close to killing his supporters he can come to and still get their votes... 

[SimonNZ]

[..]"Ingraham, a right-wing television host for Fox News in the US, spread misinformation about New Zealand's response to the Covid-19 pandemic, sharing an old clip of Jacinda Ardern and claiming the Government is "throwing people into quarantine camps".

The Fox News host made the claims on her show yesterday, joining a growing number of right-wing pundits overseas who are casting New Zealand's response as a threat to freedom.

"The American left and their media poodles have long held up New Zealand as the model for how to properly deal with a lot of things, including Covid, but anyone who loves freedom should take note because the Kiwis have a terrifying new response to rising Covid case numbers," Ingraham said.

"They're throwing people into quarantine camps."

"No leaving the camp until you're negative," Ingraham adds, putting on a faux New Zealand accent.

To support her claims, Ingraham shared an old Facebook live clip from Jacinda Ardern, originally posted over four months ago.

In that clip, Ardern answers questions from viewers and details the Government's policy of demanding that those in quarantine remain until they return a negative result and enforcing their continued stay if they refuse a test.

What Ingraham calls "quarantine camps" are in fact our managed isolation hotels."[...]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/covid-19-coronavirus-hilary-barry-responds-to-fox-news-laura-ingrahams-quarantine-camp-comments/SVLW35E7JOTQFTOYCEM2UISYWY/

[71 dB]

Will Saletan's closing observation: Hillary had a ceiling, there were people who just weren't going to vote for her; Joe Biden is already well above that.

The question is: How close to her ceiling Hillary got? Could she have gotten 100.000 more votes in the rust belt and win with a better campaign?

Biden is doing better for sure. Not because he is a better candidate. He is probably worse than Hillary, but he is less hated and more liked as "uncle Joe" thanks to his charisma and ignorance of people of his bad political record. Also, Trump had excellent populist campaign in 2016 while now he is completely lost. Now people have seen how incompetent Trump is and he is not an "outsider" anymore. He is an "insider" who DID NOT drain the swamp. As Kyle Kulinski says: Trump is so bad of an candidate this time around, a rusty bucket filled with vomit could run against him and still win.

Is Trump's 2016 Magic Gone?

https://www.youtube.com/v/PU197mUJI2U

[71 dB]

     I have decided that you are from Finland.

Huh? I am from Finland regardless of what you "decide." 

You know what it's like to have universal coverage more than what it's like to achieve it in a very different country.

A lot of countries, from small to large have figured out how to achieve universal healthcare coverage.

In Demspeak, a language I know, the "public option" means that anyone who doesn't have an Obamacare plan can sign up for a public plan, so while this doesn't cause private insurance to die much quicker than it's dying now, it shields millions of people from the consequences of its dying too soon.

The problem here is if you start negotiating with the Republicans (who never give one inch rope) from "public option", how many Americans have you covered more after all the comprimises? That's why you need to start from the furthest left position possible (UK style public financing of public services). After compromising with Republicans you might have public option.

I'm not as concerned with what people are having to say. The shortest route to getting everyone covered will involve people who have said different things at different times.

Looks like the shortest route to getting everyone covered is getting money out of politics so that politicians start of serve regular people instead of corporations and the rich only.

[drogulus]

Huh? I am from Finland regardless of what you "decide." 

     My decision is final.

Looks like the shortest route to getting everyone covered is getting money out of politics so that politicians start of serve regular people instead of corporations and the rich only.

     Bidencare doesn't depend on getting money out of politics. Rather than attacking money directly I'd go for a new voting rights bill which the new improved SC will find ultra ultra constitutional.

[arpeggio]

One of the beauties of the American Constitution is that no matter who is in charge. we all have certain rights that can not be taken away from us.

If Biden is elected those mechanisms will stay in place.

If Trump is reelected and he destroys the constitution and the rule of law, then no ones rights are safe.

[Sterna]

He also wrote about space aliens in this thread.  Take from that what you will.

USA politics and space aliens. Well, well, well... how many millions are wasted yearly by the Pentagon UFO Unit?

No wonder people want lower taxes.

[MusicTurner]

USA politics and space aliens. Well, well, well... how many millions are wasted yearly by the Pentagon UFO Unit?

No wonder people want lower taxes.

So what are the statistics regarding fierce UFO + Trump 'believers' ? 
An - admittedly outside - guess would be that they quite often correlate.

[Sterna]

So what are the statistics regarding fierce UFO + Trump 'believers' ? 
An - admittedly outside - guess would be that they quite often correlate.

I couln't tell. At least it's genuine 'Reader's Digest' stuff, stuff which is published by Trusted Media Brands, Inc.. So no fake news here. Therefore it's taken so seriously by American governments.

[71 dB]

     Bidencare doesn't depend on getting money out of politics. Rather than attacking money directly I'd go for a new voting rights bill which the new improved SC will find ultra ultra constitutional.

BidenCare as far as I know doesn't cover everyone, but 97 % meaning the rest 3 % (~10 million people) remain uncovered. That's if Biden gets to implement it entirely without compromising with Republicans who want to repeal ObamaCare and cover LESS people (Only the rich and maybe upper middle class have healthcare. Others can die away).

[drogulus]

BidenCare as far as I know doesn't cover everyone, but 97 % meaning the rest 3 % (~10 million people) remain uncovered. That's if Biden gets to implement it entirely without compromising with Republicans who want to repeal ObamaCare and cover LESS people (Only the rich and maybe upper middle class have healthcare. Others can die away).

     If those are the choices let's cover 97%. The virtue of a plan with a public option is that it's a practical base camp to covering 100%.

[Todd]

Trump's chances hinge on a polling screw-up way worse than 2016

Duh.

[Karl Henning]

Actually removing Dowder's most outrageous posts would be doing him a favor.

As it stands they are a monument to his distorted sense of reality.

And to how Trumpkins lack any filter.

[drogulus]

     To simplify a little, the Florida vote count will come in fairly early, and a Biden win could clinch it for him. If Trump wins Florida, all eyes will be on Pennsylvania, which will be very late to complete the count, perhaps by Friday, though depending on the size of the blue shift the race will be called before then. When will we know who won? My bet is on late Thursday night if it isn't a landslide.