USA Politics

[Karl Henning]

Thinking a group of people aren't as good - and trying to take credit for their supposed  betterment, these are not mutually exclusive. Throw in that tump is often incoherent. I doubt tump is happy about much. He seems like an unhappy person who gets some gratification when he feels he's insulted someone.

A teeny gibbering worm.

[Herman]

Thinking a group of people aren't as good - and trying to take credit for their supposed  betterment, these are not mutually exclusive. Throw in that tump is often incoherent. I doubt tump is happy about much. He seems like an unhappy person who gets some gratification when he feels he's insulted someone.

Rock-solid key with Trump is zero-sum thinking.

He needs people to be worse off in order to feel better himself.

In the case of PoC that's just absolute, since he hates black people.

[greg]

Greg, what you're doing is spending days formulating, in an excruciatingly inept fashion, apologetics for an out and out racist, i.e. Trump.

Do you know what logic is? Do you know what testing for consistency is? No. You only know tribalism. I don't give a fuck about Trump. I'm testing your logic and consistency. Saying I'm apologetic for a racist, when I'm questioning why you think he's racist is just admitting you don't have an answer. Which I already knew to begin with, since this ideology just does not add up.

However, I like to keep testing to see if things can add up logically, but time and time again they simply don't. The leftist selling point for me has to be logical consistency, and that just keeps on failing.

Your argument that Trump's cynical bragging about black employment looking good (for about three days, and then it was bad again) doesn't cut it either. Trump has been told, day in day out, that it would help him to peel off some black votes from the Dems. That's why he says a thing like this, without the slightest honesty.

Everyone wants black votes, because they are votes. Democrat, Republican, etc. that's besides the point.

He still believes so. And it reminds one of one of the scary things about this current president. It gives him a thrill if people get killed (as long as it's not him). He doesn't give a rat's ass about 130.000 people dying on his negligent watch. It increases his feeling of self-worth.

This is a man who calls during a rally: "Where is my black guy?" because they had planted one black guy in the crowd.

This is a lot of very negative assumptions. Tribalism.

He's the guy who says the things that cannot say out loud.

Can you read minds? Do you really think Trump thinks before he speaks? Or spends a lot of time thinking? Or has some secret racist code that only certain people understand? Doesn't this sound somewhat conspiracy-level weird?

Nope, because he is on the other team. Boo team!

[greg]

Greg, what you're doing is spending days formulating, in an excruciatingly inept fashion, apologetics for an out and out racist, i.e. Trump.

Just one more thought: this is what is called a "circular argument," right?

It starts with me posting the question as to why Trump is perceived as racist, then the response is that asking that is apologetics for his racism.

I first learned about that term reading debates on religion. So yeah... probably why people are starting to perceive this ideology as a religion. (especially on the left, where a lot of people are atheists and might need something to "fill the void")... of course, that point is just a guess, don't take that speculation too seriously.

[arpeggio]

Trump won the Electoral College vote, which is the constitutionally mandated way to win the Presidency.  It is, in fact, the Republican way to adhere to the Constitution.  Facts are sometimes inconvenient things.

We know that based on the system in place TRUMP WON THE ELECTION.

A few months ago on Real Time there was a conservative on the panel who claimed that the liberals did not accept the results of the election.  The rest of the liberals on the show kept stating that that was not true.  They acknowledge that TRUMP WON. (They also spent time debunking many false impressions that conservatives have embraced concerning liberals.)

This is another example of accusing liberals of something they are not.

[Karl Henning]

The poit is not "the iberals," who acknowledge Trump's constitutional victory.  The point is Trump's infantile need to inflate the victory: "a landslide""I actually won the popular vote" "a bigger crowd at my inauguration than [the black guy]"

[Karl Henning]

And the Trump boot-lickers who both bask in his inflationary disinformation, and figure if they do the same, it somehow serves as an "argument."

[Karl Henning]

An emblem of the problem

Officers fired over selfie that reenacted chokehold used on Elijah McClain

[BWV 1080]

Using footage from body-worn cameras, we analyze the respectfulness of police officer language toward white and black community members during routine traffic stops. We develop computational linguistic methods that extract levels of respect automatically from transcripts, informed by a thin-slicing study of participant ratings of officer utterances. We find that officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop. Such disparities in common, everyday interactions between police and the communities they serve have important implications for procedural justice and the building of police–community trust.

https://www.pnas.org/content/114/25/6521?fbclid=IwAR1hPlayN9Yh6Cfr1HPBJ66p3DFXOw6SjpaToGpiOqsxefI2teBXSSsz4f4

[Karl Henning]

https://www.pnas.org/content/114/25/6521?fbclid=IwAR1hPlayN9Yh6Cfr1HPBJ66p3DFXOw6SjpaToGpiOqsxefI2teBXSSsz4f4

Thanks.

[arpeggio]

Karl,

You have consistently done a better job of expressing my feelings than I do.

Thanks

[SimonNZ]

My friend's aunt posted this to her FB page (you can never underestimate stupidity):

"ANTIFA / TERRORIST ATTACK PLAN ON 4th OF JULY:
PLEASE be aware this July 4....... 30,000 members per state...many trained by radical Islam - plan on killing as many Trump supporters and whites as possible!!
ANTIFA To Desecrate Gettysburg National Cemetery on July 4 - Then MURDER & BURN White Suburbs under cover of "Fireworks" ANTIFA is planning to desecrate the Gettysburg National Cemetery by burning flags there on July 4; just before they begin MURDERING White people and BURNING DOWN Suburbs the same day. It will start at the desecration of Union Solder graves at Gettysburg, Pa. According to the Controlled Unclassified Law Enforcement Bulletin issued as "Law Enforcement Sensitive - For Official Use Only" to Police and Fire Departments about ANTIFA already using fireworks to acclimate suburbia with sounds of explosions, so they can use those to cover for gun fire when they attack white, suburban, neighborhoods the same day. According to Controlled Unclassified Information (CUI) in a Bulletin issued to Police and Fire Departments, ANTIFA has been taking deliveries of very large shipments of professional-grade fireworks. They have been sending teams out to various areas throughout America to detonate those fireworks for the past two weeks, to achieve"

And when prophesy fails?

[arpeggio]

I have no problem condemning left wing nut jobs.

I disappoints me when they can not condemn theirs.

[Herman]

And when prophesy fails?

Wait for the next one. These peeps have no memory. Anxiety is ever looking forward.

[Herman]

Greg,

saying Trump is a racist is not an "assumption". It's based on facts, such as his advocacy (taking out expensive ads in NY papers) for the death penalty for the Central Park Five, or the court case about his (and his dad's) housing consistently refusing black people, or well-documented stuff like "I don't want black people touching my money, I want guys with yarmulkes" in his failing casinos.

In the case of the Central Park Five he continued arguing for the death penalty for these kids, even after it had been proved their were not involved. He just wanted them killed, dead. They were young black men.

This is all extensively documented, but of course you don't read. How do you assume Trump out of that?

In addition you're employing that funny lingo, like saying my assumptions are "leftist and tribalist". That's what the Trump people are saying, in fact Trump stepped it up one notch on the July 4th and now everyone who does not bow to him and huddles close to strangers without a face mask is a "fascist". So we're waiting for you to do the next step. Calling me leftist is too silly for words. What I'm for is human decency and NOT killing people. I'd call that fairly centrist.

Why don't you give yourself a break? As you have told GMG over and over again, you don't really follow the news, you don't read, you're just going at this intuitively. Your political choices (if any) are purely instinctive. You've taken the bait and you're calling people who are horrified by Trump and the American Carnage he created, Leftists (rather than people who want to save lives). You're the typical low-info low-education voter who instinctively is sucked into the Trump hole, attracted by his message of fear and hatred, and so good luck with that, but really, stop torturing yourself and everybody else with your "logical" exercises.

[Karl Henning]

How to troll the whackadoodle Right:

Militias flocked to Gettysburg to foil a supposed antifa flag burning, an apparent hoax created on social media

[Todd]

From AmPo, a full-throated anti-Russkie op-ed - and one tied to an upcoming book: Putin still plays by the ruthless rules of the Cold War. Because Trump lets him.

In an article filled with hawkish language, I do love these tasty literary morsels:

Russia and its intelligence services have been at war with the United States, almost ceaselessly, since 1945.

Russia's "active measures" don't threaten only American soldiers. They threaten American democracy.

Russia!

Fortunately for Russophobes, Biden's national security team will be scared of the bear.  Good times are coming.

[Karl Henning]

I hates 'Toe-tally-terry-tism'

[Todd]

It is very important that the US look strong when dealing with Russia.  Accordingly, the shocking and disturbing news that Russia is using asymmetrical tactics in Afghanistan mandates that the US remain there for another generation.  Perhaps longer.  We will let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. 

[drogulus]

     

     

The dreaded Soviet Putin must be defeated.

     My immediate concern is defeating the American branch.

     I'm not particularly warmongerish on Russia. Yes, he's a Soviet hangover, but consider that deterrence worked against the Soviets and will work again.

     TrumPutin is all about removing deterrence guardrails for reasons Trump supporters can't explain. It doesn't really have to do with a fixed position about Russia as a permanent enemy. That's not really a motive. The extent that Putin emulates Soviet policy and attitudes is noteworthy, not something Cold Warriors are falsely attributing to him.