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JBS

At the local level it's a matter of the local party leaders trying to back one candidate over the other. Which can back fire, especially in a low turnout election, which is likely in any local primary (remember AOC won a primary with a relatively low turnout).

So it's a question of how familiar she was to the local politicians. The state and national GOP probably had never heard her name before she ran.

Of course Trump tweeted in support of her.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-boosts-candidate-who-posed-with-neo-nazi-peddles-anti-semitic-conspiracy/

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SimonNZ

Yes, but I kind of mean even before that. Can you put yourself forward as a Republican candidate, without the party saying "we don't recognize you as a Republican and you cannot run under our banner?

Todd

Quote from: JBS on June 12, 2020, 05:43:20 PMThe state and national GOP probably had never heard her name before she ran.


The power of Google and two minutes yields the following: Jim Jordan endorsed her at the beginning of the year.  She has raised almost $1.2 million to her main Republican rival's ~$700K.  That kind of scratch in that kind of district means she has a reasonably good organization, which means that she knows some people.  In contrast, the Democrat tomato can in the district has raised about $9000, at least if the FEC is to be trusted. 

She pledges to stop Socialism, and her district is strongly Republican.  Ms Greene has a very good chance of heading to the House. 
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People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

JBS

Quote from: SimonNZ on June 12, 2020, 06:00:57 PM
Yes, but I kind of mean even before that. Can you put yourself forward as a Republican candidate, without the party saying "we don't recognize you as a Republican and you cannot run under our banner?

Yes. Obviously it varies from place to place but the basic requirement is that one be registered on the voting rolls as a Republican (or Democrat or other). Beyond that it's meeting the state requirements for filing fees and voter signatures. The party apparatus can at most tell people not to vote for X.  And the voters are free to ignore the party apparatus.

The National party can give her no support, if it wants. But no one can keep her off the ballot.

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greg

Quote from: drogulus on June 12, 2020, 03:23:23 PM
     Skepticism should be balanced so that you don't go too far in the other direction. In China many provinces have had tiny outbreaks with deaths in the single digits. That's consistent with the story of Chinese success in limiting the outbreak after the initial missteps. It's wildly improbable that the many health officials who have helped us get a true picture of what's happening in the country have just gone silent. If they have, where are we getting information which could be used to counter suspicious Chinese claims?

     The ChiCom perfidy narrative doesn't hold up, and it's not because the Chinese are not perfidious. It's because it has no foundation.
I was going to say that if I think about it, conspiracy theory isn't defined by amount of skepticism, but where it is directed.



Quote from: drogulus on June 12, 2020, 03:23:23 PM
     Skepticism should be balanced so that you don't go too far in the other direction.
Balance is not always a good thing when you are up against another imbalance. That could be your downfall... and maybe why you scored like an angel on the Dark Triad test?  0:) :D

If you've ever known a compulsive liar, would you still maintain balanced skepticism? Now imagine that compulsive liar is the entire government. Sure, they tell the truth sometimes, but it's much safer to be, say 80% skeptical and 20% trusting. Or maybe even 90% skeptical.

Perhaps you can have the luxury of balanced skepticism in the US and some other countries, but not in China.
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arpeggio

Received the following from one of my music conductors.  Might loosen things up.

Senior Mandates

#1 - Talk to yourself. There are times you need expert advice

#2 - "In Style" are the clothes that still fit

#3 - You don't need anger management. You need people to stop making you mad.

#4 - Your people skills are just fine. It's your tolerance for idiots that needs work.

#5 - The biggest lie you tell yourself is, "I don't need to write that down. I'll remember it."

#6 - "On time" is when you get there.

#7 - Even duct tape can't fix stupid - but it sure does muffle the sound.

#8 - It would be wonderful if we could put ourselves in the dryer for ten minutes, then come out wrinkle-free and three sizes smaller?

#9 - Lately, You've noticed people your age are so much older than you.

#10 - Growing old should have taken longer.

#11 - Aging has slowed you down, but it hasn't shut you up.

#12 - You still haven't learned to act your age, and hope you never will.

And one more:

"One for the road" means peeing before you leave the house.


Todd

Trump moves his Tulsa rally from Juneteenth to June 20 'out of respect'

Look at that, Trump displaying racial sensitivity. 

Quote from: Super-Creepy 46What in God's name is this guy doing? And now did you hear what he just did? He's having a rally on Juneteenth in...Arizona

Who says acute senility isn't funny?

Bring on the debate.
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People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Todd

The economy trumps all.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

drogulus

Quote from: Dowder on June 12, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
Communist governments don't have a good history of telling the truth, from the Holdomor, the Great Famine, the Killing Fields and Chernobyl. The fact you have to be reminded of this is appalling. The Chinese kicked out the American journalists in March because they were clearly a threat to the official narrative.


    My concern is what we know about what happened in China regarding the virus, not the history of Communist government. I appreciate your acknowledgement of "lamestream" journalists (it's in the NYTimes!!).

    Could you at least try to support your thesis? What is it, by the way? What is the lie? How many million are dead?
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drogulus

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Quote from: greg on June 12, 2020, 07:11:41 PM

If you've ever known a compulsive liar, would you still maintain balanced skepticism?


     How do you determine when a liar is telling the truth? There must be evidence to consider. What's the evidence for millions of dead Chinese, or how does Chicom perfidy tell you they must be there?

     Suppose we know the size of the Chinese outbreak. We do, but just suppose we do. That should tell us what the Chinese are lying about, and of course it does. The goal should be to let neither China nor our own biases fool us.
     
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JBS

Quote from: drogulus on June 13, 2020, 06:43:12 AM
     How do you determine when a liar is telling the truth? There must be evidence to consider. What's the evidence for millions of dead Chinese, or how does Chicom perfidy tell you they must be there?

     Suppose we know the size of the Chinese outbreak. We do, but just suppose we do. That should tell us what the Chinese are lying about, and of course it does. The goal should be to let neither China nor our own biases fool us.
   

We don't know the size of the outbreak. We only know what Chinese authorities tell us is the size of the outbreak.  That's a crucial difference.


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drogulus

Quote from: JBS on June 13, 2020, 08:21:39 AM
We don't know the size of the outbreak. We only know what Chinese authorities tell us is the size of the outbreak.  That's a crucial difference.



     I don't restrict myself to official pronouncements and you probably don't either, so I don't know why you would say that. China lifted the Wuhan lockdown in early April. No matter whose propaganda you believe, they did that. I'm sure they are as guilty of massaging numbers as anyone can be, but they are not miracle workers. They can't keep a pandemic secret from the whole world's prying eyes. Much of their propaganda is trying to plug the leaks of a zillion Chinese expert at getting news to the outside world.
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JBS

Quote from: drogulus on June 13, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
     I don't restrict myself to official pronouncements and you probably don't either, so I don't know why you would say that. China lifted the Wuhan lockdown in early April. No matter whose propaganda you believe, they did that. I'm sure they are as guilty of massaging numbers as anyone can be, but they are not miracle workers. They can't keep a pandemic secret from the whole world's prying eyes. Much of their propaganda is trying to plug the leaks of a zillion Chinese expert at getting news to the outside world.

Please link any data that is not from, or dependent on, sources under the control of the Chinese authorities.

I am aware of none.

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drogulus

Quote from: JBS on June 13, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Please link any data that is not from, or dependent on, sources under the control of the Chinese authorities.

I am aware of none.

     The data China uses, and possibly distorts, comes from Chinese experts that freely communicate with their colleagues around the world. They are "under the authority" of the Chinese government. We know enough about what Chinese experts tell their government that our own experts and intelligence agencies can use the information to measure the degree that China actually is producing false numbers. I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that heroic Chinese doctors and epidemiologists would have received instructions to lie to the world, and then obey the instructions when they talk to friends and colleague everywhere. And not a hint that this is happening, no alarm bells are sounded by anyone? I don't think that's credible, or possible.
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JBS

Quote from: drogulus on June 13, 2020, 12:02:50 PM
     The data China uses, and possibly distorts, comes from Chinese experts that freely communicate with their colleagues around the world. They are "under the authority" of the Chinese government. We know enough about what Chinese experts tell their government that our own experts and intelligence agencies can use the information to measure the degree that China actually is producing false numbers. I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that heroic Chinese doctors and epidemiologists would have received instructions to lie to the world, and then obey the instructions when they talk to friends and colleague everywhere. And not a hint that this is happening, no alarm bells are sounded by anyone? I don't think that's credible, or possible.

And the intelligence agencies shared their conclusions with you?

And how do you know that "we know enough"? You are just assuming things are true because you want them to be true.

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Couldn't help myself (i.e. in sharing; I didn't create it)
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Todd

AOC is a sitting member of Congress.  She is part of the establishment.

In somewhat unexpected news, Steve Scalise is by far the biggest House fundraiser, raking in over $19 million.  Second place Kevin McCarthy has pulled in a paltry $12 million in comparison. 

And of course this is peanuts compared to the battle for Frankfort.  Between them, Cocaine Mitch and Amy McGrath have pulled in over $73 million - with Ms McGrath significantly outraising Mitch.  Oh noes!
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

SimonNZ

Isn't there some Bernie Bro currently upsetting the McGrath campaign against McConnell and largely doing McConnell's attacks for him?

JBS

Quote from: SimonNZ on June 13, 2020, 05:45:23 PM
Isn't there some Bernie Bro currently upsetting the McGrath campaign against McConnell and largely doing McConnell's attacks for him?

I was reading about that just 10 minutes ago.
I'm not sure if it's correct to call him a Bernie Bro.
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/06/13/booker-mcgrath-mcconnell-kentucky-senate-316201

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Todd

Quote from: Dowder on June 13, 2020, 08:50:02 PMFrom a few days ago, amid all the chaos of late, Biden renews interest in reparations for slavery, for justice's sake and the black vote:


Fixed that for you.

I will win the lottery next week.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya