USA Politics

[Todd]

Supreme Court rules on Trump's taxes, granting access to Manhattan prosecutor, but denying Congress, at least for now

You win some, you lose some.  The key question is whether documents will end up in the public sphere before November.

We're all so immersed in the culture-porn and politics-porn that inundates our dopamine-based economy that half of us believe that the United States is a racist Nazi hellscape and the other half believes that the United States is literally burning as Maoist mobs run amok.

The selected quote looks eerily close to something the Postmodernism Generator might create.

(Incidentally, someone should tell Mr McCloskey that khakis don't go with ARs.)

[Brian]

The Court also helpfully suggested legal ways Trump could stall in NY - where, even if he did turn over docs, they'd be secret as part of a grand jury proceeding. We need a rogue leaker.

The other interesting ruling this morning is that Tulsa and a huge swathe of Oklahoma have been an unrecognized Indian reservation for 150 years.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

The Court also helpfully suggested legal ways Trump could stall in NY - where, even if he did turn over docs, they'd be secret as part of a grand jury proceeding. We need a rogue leaker.

The other interesting ruling this morning is that Tulsa and a huge swathe of Oklahoma have been an unrecognized Indian reservation for 150 years.

I saw that too...here:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53353953

Any idea who the two dissenters were?

PD

[Karl Henning]

The Court also helpfully suggested legal ways Trump could stall in NY - where, even if he did turn over docs, they'd be secret as part of a grand jury proceeding. We need a rogue leaker.

The other interesting ruling this morning is that Tulsa and a huge swathe of Oklahoma have been an unrecognized Indian reservation for 150 years.

The Great White Father was a Schmuck

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Sorry, Brian.  I missed reading the part of your comment about Oklahoma.....what a mess!   

[Todd]

Sorry, Brian.  I missed reading the part of your comment about Oklahoma.....what a mess!   

Unless, perhaps, you are a member of the Creek Nation.  Congress can fix the mess if it chooses.

[bhodges]

I saw that too...here:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53353953

Any idea who the two dissenters were?

PD

Thomas and Alito.

https://fortune.com/2020/07/09/supreme-court-trump-taxes-ruling-vance-mazars-scotus-7-2-decision-tax-returns-subpoena/

--Bruce

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Thanks Bruce!

PD

[Gurn Blanston]

Unless, perhaps, you are a member of the Creek Nation.  Congress can fix the mess if it chooses.

But you know they won't. Congress never chooses to fix messes: it would mean some sort of commitment to their oath, and we can't have that!   

[Karl Henning]

But you know they won't. Congress never chooses to fix messes: it would mean some sort of commitment to their oath, and we can't have that!   

Would you suggest that Congress should be part of the "guard rails," and not packed into the careening vehicle?!

[Gurn Blanston]

Would you suggest that Congress should be part of the "guard rails," and not packed into the careening vehicle?!

I've never been impressed with Congress, even less so now. Their mandate apparently does not include taking any political risks, anything that would potentially jeopardize reelection, no matter how important the need. As an example, I give you the immigration situation. If Congress had gotten off the dime on resolving those issues, which is their responsibility, then the current situation with Obama, and then T***p, ruling by executive order would have never come to pass. Obama tried to force Congress to do something, but they wouldn't do it, and so we are where we are now. And that's just one example. So we can bitch and moan about the Executive Branch all we want, much of it is justified, but if f***ing Congress would do their job, then the Executive would be regulated by default.

Just sayin'...

[Karl Henning]

I've never been impressed with Congress, even less so now. Their mandate apparently does not include taking any political risks, anything that would potentially jeopardize reelection, no matter how important the need. As an example, I give you the immigration situation. If Congress had gotten off the dime on resolving those issues, which is their responsibility, then the current situation with Obama, and then T***p, ruling by executive order would have never come to pass. Obama tried to force Congress to do something, but they wouldn't do it, and so we are where we are now. And that's just one example. So we can bitch and moan about the Executive Branch all we want, much of it is justified, but if f***ing Congress would do their job, then the Executive would be regulated by default.

Just sayin'...

Ayyup!

[Todd]

But you know they won't.

Oklahoma produces a lot of oil.  Congress may have incentive to act. 

[Gurn Blanston]

Oklahoma produces a lot of oil.  Congress may have incentive to act.

I feel sorry for the Indians if Congress DOES get involved. Tulsa would be a prime spot to start a chain of casinos, once the Covid moves out.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I feel sorry for the Indians if Congress DOES get involved. Tulsa would be a prime spot to start a chain of casinos, once the Covid moves out.

Many wastewater disposal earthquakes going on these days?  And where in the state are they?

PD

[Todd]

I feel sorry for the Indians if Congress DOES get involved. Tulsa would be a prime spot to start a chain of casinos, once the Covid moves out.

Casino owners have been known to contribute to political campaigns from time to time.  A negotiated settlement may be possible.

[Karl Henning]

Biden: "Donald Trump cynically claims that he's defending American heritage by embracing the Confederate flag."

Asks rhetorically if Trump knows that 33,000 Pennsylvanians died fighting in the Civil War

Trump, o' course knows squat

[Karl Henning]

"The court's ruling that Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. had the right to obtain them was surely correct. Vance is investigating whether the Trump Organization broke New York law by falsifying business records to hide payments to women Trump allegedly had affairs with in exchange for their silence. In pursuit of that, it is essential that Vance obtain the records whose falsification he is trying to establish. By holding that he can, the court simply followed precedent and general principles of criminal law.

It is irrelevant whether that investigation is politically motivated. (Vance is a Democrat.) Politically motivated but valid investigations are not a novel feature in the U.S. legal system, where state and local district attorneys are elected and federal prosecutors frequently have sought elected office. President Bill Clinton faced a similar civil suit financed in part by his political opponents from a woman, Paula Jones, who alleged he sexually harassed her while a state employee. Courts in the Clinton case held that he had to testify under oath even though he was president because no person is above the law. Requiring Trump to produce the highly relevant information in Vance's investigation is simply the logical consequence of the decision in Clinton's case."

[JBS]

Lol. Ok. Pretty much all you've said is "immigration restrictionism is racist because its racist and you're racist if you don't want anyone and everyone to immigrate here." Appalling circular and irrational.

Immigration clearly has ties to both commerce and finance. Immigrants take jobs, primarily low skilled and blue collar but also some higher skilled ones where there's a "shortage" (eg, doctors, tech, etc) and regardless of their status they have mortgages, bills and an economic role and influence. In fact, during the last housing crisis many of the foreclosed homes were owned by Latinos, many of whom were immigrants or children of them. So they make an impact and it should seem obvious but your dismissal of immigration as insignificant means you can't really be taken seriously on this subject.

Doubling down in your ignorance.

So you are saying banking deregulation and the federal government's encouragement of the mortgage and housing bubbles had less impact than immigration on the big meltdown of 2008? That the top tier of wealth absorbing ever more of the country's wealth is due to immigrants, and not the top tier of wealth?

If you don't think immigration restriction is rooted in racism, then you don't know very much  about immigration restriction.

[Karl Henning]

Ignorance is not magically converted into acumen, by prefacing it with "LOL"

Separately, some are fine with creepy, when the creep is named "Trump"

https://www.youtube.com/v/5K7sa7EeUGc