USA Politics

[71 dB]

Assuming Trump loses he will still be the Lame Duck President for a few months and he will make the blue states "pay." The coronavirus situation may get REALLY bad when this madman wants the virus to kill people who didn't vote for him.

[71 dB]

These predictions are about regular polling, not about vastly manipulated elections. (I believe Trump's word is 'rigged'.) They don't make Biden's real win more likely. They only show what would happen in unrigged elections.

In republican run states hundreds of thousands of votes are going to be thrown out on capricious rules put in place specifically to reduce the vote. It's the only way, as Trump and any other GOP-er will admit, the GOP can win, and they are dead-set to do just that, and use the next few years to put more crazy rules in place to ensure a permanent counterintuitive majority.

Yes, Trump can win by giant election fraud, by letting his 6-3 far-right lunatic theocracy supreme court steal him the election, but if that happens the US is a dictatorship and the whole election has been meaningless.

Democratic voters need to start voting for the furthest left candidates and replace the hopeless spineless corporate Dems in power who don't fight Republicans. The only time that fight if it's against a progressive. Crazy. Anyway, I have been checking myself out of US politics. I want to spend my time more productively. My intense following of US politics started with Trumps shocking victory in 2016 and hopefully it ends now with Biden's victory. Four years wasted... 

[Herman]

Assuming Trump loses he will still be the Lame Duck President for a few months and he will make the blue states "pay." The coronavirus situation may get REALLY bad when this madman wants the virus to kill people who didn't vote for him.

Oh, it's one of the few things he's Equal Opportunity in.

Trump rallies kill Trump fans.

[71 dB]

Trump rallies kill Trump fans.

They are just tired of winning... ...so tired some of them die.

In my youth I thought the World is pretty rational and humaine place. Lack of internet kept me from knowing what's happening in the World. I saw some wars on the TV news, but I thought there are good reasons for them and after the war there will be peace. Gradually I started to see that things are not so good. Conflicts seemed to be never-ending. New wars just popped out of nowhere. Michael Moore talked about the problems of US healthcare, but I thought the man must be a lunatic sensationalist trying to cash in by making his crazy films. The US is the richest country in the World. Of course they have a great healthcare system, right? Bush dumber got elected. I thought it was a anomality, but it was when I really started to question the US as a country. 9/11 happened and it was a huge shock for me. The wars resulting from it made me question even more the rationality of the World. What the hell is happening on this planet? Why are there wars when the World should unite to fight the climate change? Why are there people who do not even believe in climate change? The internet opened the World to me and what I discovered was shocking. The World is not rational nor humaine. There are just pockets of rationalily and humanism in the chaos created by greed and ignorance. Obama was elected in 2008 and I thought the anomality in the US got fixed. Everything is fine. Obama seemed like a good guy. Of course now I know better. He has great charisma, but is nevertheless a corporate. If you can start a war to enrich the military industry complex he will do it. If you can "protect" insurance companies and Big Pharma by implementing a Republican healthcare plan from the 80's, he will do it. No talk about public option not to mention medicare for all. Even when the Dems had supermajority for 18 months. Imagine what the Republicans could do in that time if they had supermajority! Now that I know how utterly ugly and horrible the World is it's time to re-evaluate how to live in it. Seems like I should become very selfish, because this World works better for selfish people. It's just so much against my moral code. It's difficult to not care about other people. I am confused.

[Todd]

Election week.  One thing I am keenly interested in seeing is if symptoms of Trump Derangement Syndrome persist after Super-Creepy 46's electoral triumph.  I suspect the disease will persist.

[Herman]

In the case that all the stuff the GOP has put into gear to disqualify masses of votes won't do the job; should the stories about cunning Trump voters who tell poll enquiries they're voting Biden be untrue; should Biden win next week, there will be people who will be calling for "Lock Trump Up", sure.

That won't be a majority however, I suspect.

[BasilValentine]

The idea seemed to be floating around a while ago, though, saw it in a few different places in a short amount of time...
it was probably some other words as well being used, the idea floating around that Antifa isn't real, etc.
if we go back a bit:

This guy used the word "imaginary" around that time:
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1591161757985/ex-antifa-member-slams-nadler-for-calling-far-left-group-imaginary-thats-just-false


Definitely.


*current state (only lived here one year)

And yeah, those people are idiots. Absolutely retarded.

You quoted me but emphasized the wrong word. Antifa is imaginary in two ways: Despite groups of people claiming they are Antifa in some formal sense, being Antifa doesn't mean being a member of a group. More importantly, it's an imaginary terrorist group because they don't actually do terrorism. Counter protesting white supremacists and fascists and punching the occasional Nazi in the face isn't terrorism.

"The joke clearly went over your head. Antifa isn't actually an organization one can sign up for. It doesn't have an institutional existence. You are the kind of citizen the Trump administration is performing for when it cites imaginary terrorist organizations as a justification for employing secret police in American cities: The massively, willfully ignorant."

[Karl Henning]

You quoted me but emphasized the wrong word. Antifa is imaginary in two ways: Despite groups of people claiming they are Antifa in some formal sense, being Antifa doesn't mean being a member of a group. More importantly, it's an imaginary terrorist group because they don't actually do terrorism. Counter protesting white supremacists and fascists and punching the occasional Nazi in the face isn't terrorism.

"The joke clearly went over your head. Antifa isn't actually an organization one can sign up for. It doesn't have an institutional existence. You are the kind of citizen the Trump administration is performing for when it cites imaginary terrorist organizations as a justification for employing secret police in American cities: The massively, willfully ignorant."

Which spells out the false equivalency which is the fallacy of those living in bothesiderism

[BasilValentine]

In the case that all the stuff the GOP has put into gear to disqualify masses of votes won't do the job; should the stories about cunning Trump voters who tell poll enquiries they're voting Biden be untrue; should Biden win next week, there will be people who will be calling for "Lock Trump Up", sure.

That won't be a majority however, I suspect.

Yes, prosecutors, judges, and jurors after prosecution for multiple felonies.

[Todd]

Is George Will right, will Super-Creepy 46 be the first person since 41 to win more than 400 electoral votes?

Anyone who does not think that the overwhelming majority of early voters to date are anti-Trump is delusional. 

But of course, one must always allow for the Democrat ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  See 2000 and 2016. 

Yes, people called prosecutors, judges, and jurors after prosecution for multiple felonies.

Evidence of the virulence of the disease.  Excellent.

[Florestan]

bothesiderism

Questions from a non-American:

1. Do both sides have their share of fanatics and (useful) idiots?

2. If yes: Given the proper circumstances, can these fanatics and (useful) idiots on both sides do a lot of harm?

[BasilValentine]

Is George Will right, will Super-Creepy 46 be the first person since 41 to win more than 400 electoral votes?

Anyone who does not think that the overwhelming majority of early voters to date are anti-Trump is delusional. 

But of course, one must always allow for the Democrat ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  See 2000 and 2016. 


Evidence of the virulence of the disease. Excellent.

Evidence of knowing the evidence in several investigations. Do you forget that Michael Cohen got three years for a couple of crimes in which Trump was the more culpable partner and for which there are likely sealed indictments pending?

Questions from a non-American:

1. Do both sides have their share of fanatics and (useful) idiots?

2. If yes: Given the proper circumstances, can these fanatics and (useful) idiots on both sides do a lot of harm?

Not really. Serious violence and murder has been almost exclusively on the side of right wing groups white supremacists.

[Todd]

Evidence of knowing the evidence in several investigations. Do you forget that Michael Cohen got three years for a couple of crimes in which Trump was the more culpable partner?

More evidence.  GMG will provide fresh evidence daily of the virulence and long-lasting nature of TDS.

[BasilValentine]

More evidence.  GMG will provide fresh evidence daily of the virulence and long-lasting nature of TDS.

There are ongoing investigations into Trump's perennial financial crimes and he has been named (Person One) as an (as yet) unindicted co-conspirator in several felonies. I'm assuming you're just feigning ignorance of these facts? Or do you really not pay attention?   

[Todd]

There are ongoing investigations into Trump's perennial financial crimes and he has been named (Person One) as an (as yet) unindicted co-conspirator in several felonies. I'm assuming you're just feigning ignorance of these facts? Or do you really not pay attention?

More evidence.  Delightful.

[71 dB]

Questions from a non-American:

1. Do both sides have their share of fanatics and (useful) idiots?

2. If yes: Given the proper circumstances, can these fanatics and (useful) idiots on both sides do a lot of harm?

1. I don't think there are "sides" without fanatics and useful idiots to begin with. People are individuals with opinions disagreeing or agreeing with other people. Forcing people choose their sides is a method for those in power to make people blame each other for their misery when they should be blaming those rigging the system.

2. Of course and harm has been done already. Those in power don't care. They are quite safe inside their mansions equipped with security devices. If you can make $10 million/year with the rigged system which causes fanatics and useful idiots do harm, but you only need to spend $1 million/year to your top notch security you net $9 million/year. It's a damn good of a deal! Any morally bankrupt individual who doesn't care about other people would make it.

[Karl Henning]

1. I don't think there are "sides" without fanatics and useful idiots to begin with. People are individuals with opinions disagreeing or agreeing with other people. Forcing people choose their sides is a method for those in power to make people blame each other for their misery when they should be blaming those rigging the system.

Not clear to me why a Finn who largely identifies with the far left offers an explanation to this question from a non-American, which is a request for information not mere opinion.

[Herman]

well, strictly speaking, these were "questions from a non-american". It didn't say response from an natchral-born american was required.

also, it may have eluded you that Finn in question has an inside source, name of Kulinsky, so that the Finn really knows more than can be expected from an American, making it the most American response, really.

I believe he explained this himself at some point, with frequent use of the word "corporate".

[71 dB]

Not really. Serious violence and murder has been almost exclusively on the side of right wing groups white supremacists.

Yes, but that doesn't mean there are no fanatics and useful idiots on the left also. There's just a lot more on the right so that almost all domestic terrorism in the US is done by right wing extremists. Part of intellectual honesty is to admit YOUR side has problems too. That's how you can try to fix those issues. For example the left could be less "woke", less "SJW" and less anarchist and instead come together and concentrate on how to achieve things. How to get medicare for all implemented? How to get $15 minimum wage? How to get UBI? How to get tuition free education? How to end the drug war? How to end the wars? How to get the Green New Deal implemented? That stuff is million times more important than the logo of Uncle Ben's or Ghostbusters movies with dark skinned lesbians in the major roles. The left should be more strategic and focused in the most important things and be effective in "selling" those ideas to other people. Lefty ideas are already very popular so this should not be too hard, but something has to happen so that this popularity of lefty ideas shows in the politicians elected. 80-90 % of Democratic voters support medicare for all, but their are "forced" to vote for a candidate is strongly against it. Something has to change. The left need to be wiser.

[Karl Henning]

well, strictly speaking, these were "questions from a non-american". It didn't say response from an natchral-born american was required.

also, it may have eluded you that Finn in question has an inside source, name of Kulinsky, so that the Finn really knows more than can be expected from an American, making it the most American response, really.

I believe he explained this himself at some point, with frequent use of the word "corporate".

I was forgetting.