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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1120 on: May 26, 2021, 05:05:42 PM »
Levine/Chicago was released around the time of Dutoit/Montreal and got rather overshadowed - not wholly fairly I would say.  Personally I would take "Petersplanets" with a big pinch of salt.  Just because a guy is fixated on a work doesn't mean he has special insight - Kaplan/Mahler 2 springs to mind!!!  Quite often he references flaws (tuning/ensemble/splits) which I literally cannot hear - and I'm picky!  It feels like he's saying stuff for the sake of finding something to say......

This is quite an astute opinion. I, too, took Peter’s Planets list with a grain of salt. For example, he ranked Mehta/LA Phil. in the #11 spot? This is in my ‘Top 3’! Anyway, this just proves your point. Also, the fact that Dutoit is his favorite also caused me to fluff off his rankings. I agree that a fixation on one work doesn’t make one an expert, but I don’t think Peter ever claimed to be, but it does make me wonder if he’s bothered to listen to Holst’s other works? If not, then I think he’s done a great disservice to the composer.
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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1121 on: May 26, 2021, 05:29:57 PM »
I guess I fall in the middle...PPP has heard way more planets than I have and he's a valuable resource in that way, and his bottom 10 are probably safe to skip, but obviously different people have different taste. Like any review. I know to skip Dutoit because of a personal dislike for 80s Decca sound quality.

Don't understand at all how a project focused on one work is a disservice to a composer's other music. Maybe someone else should make an Egdon Heath website!

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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1122 on: May 26, 2021, 05:50:16 PM »
Don't understand at all how a project focused on one work is a disservice to a composer's other music. Maybe someone else should make an Egdon Heath website!

If you put an intense amount of focus into one work, especially of the magnitude of Holst’s The Planets, which has a ridiculous amount of recordings anyway, you’ve done this composer a disservice because this is exactly the work that has eclipsed his other output. You don’t have to be a Holst expert to make this comment as it has cursed him since every Tom, Dick and Harry has decided to make a recording of it. To be honest, as awesome as The Planets is, it’s not one of Holst’s best works, IMHO.
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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1123 on: June 23, 2021, 03:37:30 AM »
If anyone bought the Barbirolli Complete Warner would you care to say how it is?

I'm not really a huge fan of most English music and this comprises a large portion of the box, I don't dislike this music, I'd just rarely go out of my way to hear it. I'm open to reading more about these Barbirolli performances. Additionally like a quarter of the box is sourced from 78 rpm recordings. I did download the newer Art & Son transfers of Mahler (my main interest in this box) and they sound better than the original EMI CDs and Abbey Road ART remasters, these are finally starting to have the fidelity of the good sounding LPs. Unfortunately I highly doubt Warner are going to release these new transfers separately.

Thanks.
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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1124 on: June 23, 2021, 03:54:52 AM »
I guess I fall in the middle...PPP has heard way more planets than I have and he's a valuable resource in that way, and his bottom 10 are probably safe to skip, but obviously different people have different taste. Like any review. I know to skip Dutoit because of a personal dislike for 80s Decca sound quality.

Don't understand at all how a project focused on one work is a disservice to a composer's other music. Maybe someone else should make an Egdon Heath website!

My second favorite "Planets" is 8th from the bottom, Maazel, Orchestra de Paris. (Take that with a grain of salt, I've only ever heard 4 versions of the planets; someone who has heard many more than that is not to to be taken seriously.) I didn't get it because I surveyed 100 alternatives, I like Maazel, I like the Orchestra de Paris, no brainer. (I've owned it since 1989.) All of the planets recordings are listed, albeit in random order. Other than that I find no value in the list.
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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1125 on: June 23, 2021, 04:06:11 AM »
I bought the set several weeks ago and I have listened to about 80% of it so far. One of my reasons for buying it was to hear the English music newly remastered and I haven't been disappointed. I haven't listened to all the Mahler yet so can't comment. The Warner remastering of Symphony No 5 doesn't sound very different to the final EMI version.

The 78 rpm material is interesting but I can't imagine listening to it very often.

I hesitated before buying such a large box but don't regret doing so.
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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1126 on: June 23, 2021, 06:05:30 AM »
I bought the set several weeks ago and I have listened to about 80% of it so far. One of my reasons for buying it was to hear the English music newly remastered and I haven't been disappointed. I haven't listened to all the Mahler yet so can't comment. The Warner remastering of Symphony No 5 doesn't sound very different to the final EMI version.

The 78 rpm material is interesting but I can't imagine listening to it very often.

I hesitated before buying such a large box but don't regret doing so.

Which box are you talking about?

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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1127 on: June 23, 2021, 06:35:34 AM »
Which box are you talking about?

The Warner/Barbirolli box mentioned by hvbias

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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1128 on: June 23, 2021, 07:16:07 AM »
The Warner/Barbirolli box mentioned by hvbias

I got that box too. Haven't managed to listen to a single bit of it yet. :(

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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1129 on: June 23, 2021, 07:29:06 AM »
I bought the set several weeks ago and I have listened to about 80% of it so far. One of my reasons for buying it was to hear the English music newly remastered and I haven't been disappointed. I haven't listened to all the Mahler yet so can't comment. The Warner remastering of Symphony No 5 doesn't sound very different to the final EMI version.

The 78 rpm material is interesting but I can't imagine listening to it very often.

I hesitated before buying such a large box but don't regret doing so.

Thanks, I listened to Symphony 5 and Five Ruckert Lieder and thought it sounded better than the EMI Great Recordings of the Century (Abbey Road ART) transfer, this one has a bit too much modulation in the upper frequencies.

What are the highlights as far as the English music goes? Most of this box should be up for streaming.

Also any complaints with the Halle Orchestra? When I was streaming some of this I didn't think they were awful, but they weren't playing at the level of good or excellent orchestras.
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Re: Box Blather
« Reply #1130 on: July 09, 2021, 11:07:24 AM »
Regarding the Grumiaux box, I started a thread on another board as there were a bunch of us there that bought it: https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/arthur-grumiaux-complete-philips-recordings-program-for-replacement-cd-45.1082991/
Just today (months later) got an email from Decca saying that Grumiaux replacement CDs are on their way now. Also included a 10% off code for the Decca Classics online store.

Catching up on previous conversation: Previn's LSO Planets is really good, by the way. Saturn is too slow for me maybe but I enjoyed everything else a great deal, including a not very pompous Jupiter and absolutely ferocious Mars.

My copy of the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra box set is preordered to arrive August 21.