Most important/influential piece of music

Started by Don Giovanni, April 14, 2007, 01:05:03 PM

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Don Giovanni

I was thinking about this today when dicussing Tristan and Isolde. Some suggestions:

The Rite of Spring
Tristan and Isolde
One of Beethoven's symphonies (probably no. 9?)
Something by Bach (St Matthew Passion?)
Pelléas et Melisande

Any other ideas? Could one be considered the most popular?

Florestan

For opera: Monteverdi / Orpheus

For symphonic music: Corelli / Concerti Grossi op. 6

For chamber music: Corelli / Violin Sonatas op. 5



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hornteacher

The Eroica changed forever how symphonies were written in terms of concept, length, structure, emotion, etc.

Don Giovanni

Quote from: Florestan on April 14, 2007, 01:11:03 PM
For opera: Monteverdi / Orpheus

For symphonic music: Corelli / Concerti Grossi op. 6

For chamber music: Corelli / Violin Sonatas op. 5





Hmm, I never thought of those. Well done!

Justin Ignaz Franz Bieber

Quote from: Don Giovanni on April 14, 2007, 01:05:03 PMAny other ideas? Could one be considered the most popular?

well do want people to list what they think is the most popular (as your post says) or the most influential/important (as the title says)? those are two different things if you ask me...

most popular: could be lots of stuff, bach's air "on the g string" from orchestral suite #3, vivaldi's 4 seasons, bach's bwv565, "ode to joy" from beethoven's 9th, that mozart (a minor?) piano thing from the truman show that everyone has on their cel phones...

most important: maybe busnois' l'homme arme, or maybe cavemen banging sticks against rocks (the first instance of what we'd call rhythm)... hard to think of other stuff off the top of my head... according to philosopher karl jaspers "everything changed" at around 500BC (the axial age) & 1600AD so i would consider those two time periods first. obviously the pythagoreans started doing their thing at around 500bc. they studied properties of harmonics etc & i wonder if they had anything to do with the creation of modes. what changed in music at around 1600? some biographer called tomas luis de victoria's requiem of 1603 a "requiem for an age", so what ended at that point and what started? maybe zarlino in the mid-1500s deciding that there would be 12 tones in a scale, or the idea of equal-temperament came not too long before 1600. i'm don't think i know enough about music but i would consider what was happening at around those two periods in history to find the 'most important' works.
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m_gigena

Quote from: biber fan on April 14, 2007, 06:34:03 PM
that mozart (a minor?) piano thing from the truman show that everyone has on their cel phones...

The turkish march...  :D

Don Giovanni

Quote from: Don Giovanni on April 14, 2007, 01:05:03 PM
I was thinking about this today when dicussing Tristan and Isolde. Some suggestions:

The Rite of Spring
Tristan and Isolde
One of Beethoven's symphonies (probably no. 9?)
Something by Bach (St Matthew Passion?)
Pelléas et Melisande

Any other ideas? Could one be considered the most popular?


Sorry everyone, I meant 'the most important'. Silly me.

Don Giovanni

Quote from: MahlerTitan on April 14, 2007, 02:13:39 PM
Monteverdi's Orfeo- profound impact on operas
Beethoven's 3rd, 5th, 9th symphonies- profound impact on orchestral music
Mahler's 9th- further departure from the age old concept of the importance of tonality
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You don't like modern/contemporary music?

mahlertitan

Quote from: Don Giovanni on April 15, 2007, 06:44:35 AM
You don't like modern/contemporary music?

no, i feel that they belong to a another category, it's more like music philosophy.

btpaul674

I don't believe that their is one 'most important' piece of music, and a lot of great examples have been discussed. As mentioned, the Eroica symphony was very groundbreaking in its C# not really being "explained" until the final movement.

As much as I don't personally like it, the Symphonie Fantastique was quite groundbreaking for its time. The concept of this idee fixe representing The Beloved really did a lot for the recurrence of themes through entire pieces of music.

I think a lot of Carlo Gesualdo works as well could've been more influential if they had been given proper notice. I guess you can't trust a murderer.

Mystery

Please can people qualify their answers? I'm revising for Cambridge music exams at the moment and am very interested in this kind of thing, especially as we're doing both Monteverdi's Orfeo (as the first fully-fledged opera) and Tristan. I would definitely place both of these on this list.

sonic1

Important for what? To the audience (general listeners? more experienced listeners?) To composers? To instrumentalists? Important to whom?

Sorry to be nit-picky.

Bonehelm

Bach's Well tempered Klavier
Beethoven's 3rd, 5th, 9th symphonies
Mahler's 2nd, 9th symphonies
Stravinsky's Rite of spring
Wagner's Ring cycle
Handel's Messiah
Mozart's Requiem in D



BachQ

Franz Ignaz Biber's Missa Salisburgensis

bwv 1080

Some work by John Dunstable, perhaps  Missa Rex seculorum


karlhenning


BachQ


karlhenning


PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: D Minor on May 24, 2007, 11:50:10 AM
Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique

Probably just as influential as Beethoven's 9th. To this day it still pushes even the most virtuosic ensembles to the limit.

oyasumi

Quote from: Mystery on May 24, 2007, 11:08:13 AM
Please can people qualify their answers?

That's not how things work around here. The idea is to list as much as possible with no explanations at all. Now that's informative.