Ancient Lore Albanian and Croatian composers?

Started by Carlo Gesualdo, June 21, 2020, 04:26:52 PM

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Carlo Gesualdo

Ok prior to Ottommaan quoqest and a part of iisslaamisation in these Balkanic countries, any musicologist of Europa or Amerika, or elsewhere tell me in the major composer , annonymous song's, any oddity ssimilor to ars subtilior over there when soil was christian, notte that interrest mealso interrest me  medieval of Ottoman Albanian, but this is more documented.

So hello Albanians and hello Croatians, Dears Croatians!!'' you're flag is awesome it look medieval, p.s were they  madrigalists during renaissance in these countries, I's I'm jet-setter.

P.s llast qquuestionn Romanian renaissance polyphony great composers lesser know outside Carpate's... Darn this post would be excellent if someone has that knowledge I don't, and I know most anything?

Florestan

Quote from: deprofundis on June 21, 2020, 04:26:52 PM
Romanian renaissance polyphony great composers lesser know outside Carpate's...

There is none.
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

MusicTurner

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Place names and cultural conditions & relations were obviously different from nowaday's geography. I did a little bit of quick research.

Albania:
Albanian, earlier, ~Byzantine style: John Koukouzelis is the first major composer (14th century) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkktEf_4irs
Albania has a a folksy, polyphonic singing tradition = Iso-polyphony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4V2cE-LmBU, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfOvbb43m6o

Croatia:
A bit of info here: http://www.brepols.net/Pages/ShowProduct.aspx?prod_id=IS-9782503566412-1
("Ninth chapter: Celebri autori, deals with the most important composers of the Renaissance music in Croatia, such as Andrea Patrizio ,,da Cherso", Giulio Schiavetto from Šibenik and Lambert Courtoys, a Frenchmen active in Dubrovnik.
Chapter tenth, entitled The end of the Renaissance, is devoted entirely to the Istrian composer Francesco Sponga-Usper
."
Francesco Sponga-Usper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Q8FWHJXVI

and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Croatia
"Julije Skjavetić from Šibenik published his madrigals (Li madrigali a quattro, et a cinque voci 1562), while his Motetti a cinque et a sei voci, (1564) are characterised by a lavish polyphonic structure under the influence of the Dutch school. Music and dance were a component part of theatrical expression (Mavro Vetranović, Nikola Nalješković, Marin Držić, Marin Benetović), while the function of music and sound effects was under the influence of Italian pastorals."
Julije Skjavetić, active around 1530-1565: seems more recorded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh6WkAG_bCY

Regarding Renaissance music in Transylvania and Romania, this old Hungaroton LP seems to be the most well-known source
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nk7Ey11Djo
but polyphony in Romania apparently started in the instrumental music, and only later on came to local, religious choral music.

A little bit of info here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Romania
"Russian and Western influences brought about the introduction of polyphony in religious music in the 18th century, a genre developed by a series of Romanian composers in the 19th and 20th centuries."

Florestan

Quote from: MusicTurner on June 22, 2020, 08:19:53 AM
polyphony in Romania seems to have started in the instrumental music and only later on came to choral music (?).

A little bit of info here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Romania
"Russian and Western influences brought about the introduction of polyphony in religious music in the 18th century, a genre developed by a series of Romanian composers in the 19th and 20th centuries."

Precisely. Ronanian church music prior to 19th century was not polyphonic --- it evolved from the Byzantine chant tradition --- and even today polyphonic religious music is much more likely to be encountered in concert halls or on recordings than in an actual church service.
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini