England historical tread was Tudor music banned when Windsor replace them?

[Carlo Gesualdo]

If you''re British  or historian you can answer this quite eas, since what is more available  on market is Windsor family music, there preference for some composer or I could be wrong?

This is a serious tread no more fooling around, I have been warn,, so I conform to the laws of this site, I understand don't worrie read you're private message kind Op and Moderators.

Give a chance to deprofundis he had is worst summer so far... in years, I will skip futile details. 

[vandermolen]

I come into both categories!  Although I'd describe myself as a history Teacher rather than 'Historian'.
The Tudors were replaced by the Stuarts (1603)
I think that the music performed at the time, which would be largely though not exclusively, for the church, would reflect the religious priorities of the period but I don't really know enough about it. I don't think that the Windsor's would ban anything, after all we had Elton John at Princess Diana's funeral.

[Jo498]

Tudor - Stuart - Hanover - Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (= Windsor since 1917)

You mean, if they could tolerate Elton John, they'd have to tolerate everything?

Wasn't music restricted during the puritanic Cromwell-Regime?

[Mandryka]

Prince Charles is, or was, a fan of John Tavener. This man, not the Tudor dude with the r in his name.

[Biffo]

Tudor - Stuart - Hanover - Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (= Windsor since 1917)

You mean, if they could tolerate Elton John, they'd have to tolerate everything?

Wasn't music restricted during the puritanic Cromwell-Regime?

Yes it was. Cathedral choirs and choir schools were disbanded. I think only simple congregational hymn-singing was allowed. Secular music was also restricted and theatres closed.

[vandermolen]

Yes it was. Cathedral choirs and choir schools were disbanded. I think only simple congregational hymn-singing was allowed. Secular music was also restricted and theatres closed.

Thanks. Far more informative than my post!
No, I don't mind Elton John.

[DaveF]

The real changes in musical style occurred not between the Tudors and Stuarts, but between the Tudors... and the other Tudors.  Huge quantities of stuff from the old Roman Rite were apparently just dumped when Edward VI's extreme Protestant reign began (bits of it turn up used for binding other books), only to be hastily re-composed by such workhorses as Sheppard and Mundy when things Roman were once again in favour under Mary - only to be quietly forgotten again under the Elizabethan settlement (one feels that Elizabeth would have been happy enough hearing it in her own private chapels, but believed it was bad for the common people).  Having said which, and blamed each sectarian extreme for the loss of so much fine music, it's difficult to believe that even the most Roman of Elizabethan composers (Byrd, Tallis, Phillips) would really have had much time for the extravagances of Browne, Fayrfax and Lambe - they would have found it laughably primitive, and probably re-used the paper it was written on themselves, and so saved Sir Francis Walsingham and his henchmen the trouble of destroying it.

And the thought of the Windsors having any policy on music is also rather funny - Elizabeth I of England enjoyed playing the lute and harpsichord, singing and dancing, speaking and writing in numerous languages, Elizabeth II enjoys... horses.  When Max Davies was Master of the Queen's Music, he did his best to write tuneful stuff for her, but whether she appreciated it isn't recorded.

[MusicTurner]

Good calls, thank you.

Prince Charles does seem to be quite a bit into classical music though.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Good calls, thank you.

Prince Charles does seem to be quite a bit into classical music though.

I've noticed that too.     Anyone else here remember the Royal Edition of Bernstein recordings (water color paintings provided by Prince Charles)? 

PD

[MusicTurner]

Yes, I've got a couple too. A good series was it.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

The real changes in musical style occurred not between the Tudors and Stuarts, but between the Tudors... and the other Tudors.  Huge quantities of stuff from the old Roman Rite were apparently just dumped when Edward VI's extreme Protestant reign began (bits of it turn up used for binding other books), only to be hastily re-composed by such workhorses as Sheppard and Mundy when things Roman were once again in favour under Mary - only to be quietly forgotten again under the Elizabethan settlement (one feels that Elizabeth would have been happy enough hearing it in her own private chapels, but believed it was bad for the common people).  Having said which, and blamed each sectarian extreme for the loss of so much fine music, it's difficult to believe that even the most Roman of Elizabethan composers (Byrd, Tallis, Phillips) would really have had much time for the extravagances of Browne, Fayrfax and Lambe - they would have found it laughably primitive, and probably re-used the paper it was written on themselves, and so saved Sir Francis Walsingham and his henchmen the trouble of destroying it.

And the thought of the Windsors having any policy on music is also rather funny - Elizabeth I of England enjoyed playing the lute and harpsichord, singing and dancing, speaking and writing in numerous languages, Elizabeth II enjoys... horses.  When Max Davies was Master of the Queen's Music, he did his best to write tuneful stuff for her, but whether she appreciated it isn't recorded.

Nice that you know so much about it.     I would suspect that Queen Elizabeth II also enjoys music...no idea what though.  Perhaps there's some info out there somewhere?  She's lived a long life and has attended many special concerts and events and, hopefully, enjoyed some of them along the way....I would be rather surprised if she hadn't.

As far as horses go, I love them too.  Wish that I had my own.  My impressions over the years is that she is very knowledgable about them and loves watching her racehorses and riding (and is still doing so, according to various articles, during Covid-19).   

Best wishes,

PD

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Yes, I've got a couple too. A good series was it.

I believe that I have one or two of them.

PD

[DaveF]

I would suspect that Queen Elizabeth II also enjoys music...no idea what though.

In her younger days, when she still had to attend things she didn't like, such as Cup Finals or rugby internationals, she was the only one who never sang the National Anthem.  So either she's a secret republican (with a small 'r' - which I've long suspected) or she's totally unmusical.

[ritter]

In her younger days, when she still had to attend things she didn't like, such as Cup Finals or rugby internationals, she was the only one who never sang the National Anthem.  So either she's a secret republican (with a small 'r' - which I've long suspected) or she's totally unmusical.

Can that be a matter of protocol? Just asking... It could be seen as a bit awkward for the monarch to sing to God asking Him to save her or his gracious self. 

In Spain, the King (or anyone else, for that matter) doesn't have that problem: our national anthem (the Marcha Real) has no words to it...possibly a unique case among any country. 

[steve ridgway]

The Queen did not ban the Sex Pistols. The singles chart used by the BBC may have been manipulated to stop it reaching number 1 but I don't recall anyone claiming Her Majesty was behind it.

[Mandryka]

The Queen did not ban the Sex Pistols. The singles chart used by the BBC may have been manipulated to stop it reaching number 1 but I don't recall anyone claiming Her Majesty was behind it.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/8595026/johnny-rotten-bans-the-crown-sex-pistols-god-save-the-queen/

Insiders say the former anarchist [Johnny Rotten]  is now a monarchist — and did not want a reminder of how he once savaged Her Majesty.

One said: "Johnny's undergone quite a change of heart from the days when he was singing about the royals being 'a fascist regime'. Last year he was saying how he'd 'sorely miss' The Queen after her death and praised all the pageantry that comes with a Royal Family."

[steve ridgway]

LOL it was a bit of rebellious fun at the time, encouraged a load of amateurs to have a go at music, got it out of a rut for a little while .

[Mandryka]

LOL it was a bit of rebellious fun at the time, encouraged a load of amateurs to have a go at music, got it out of a rut for a little while .

Do you live in Rochdale?

[Mandryka]

When I was little I thought that Annie Walker was The Queen.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

In her younger days, when she still had to attend things she didn't like, such as Cup Finals or rugby internationals, she was the only one who never sang the National Anthem.  So either she's a secret republican (with a small 'r' - which I've long suspected) or she's totally unmusical.

Well, I can't sing and hence feel awkward singing around those who can, but I still love music. 

Can that be a matter of protocol? Just asking... It could be seen as a bit awkward for the monarch to sing to God asking Him to save her or his gracious self. 

In Spain, the King (or anyone else, for that matter) doesn't have that problem: our national anthem (the Marcha Real) has no words to it...possibly a unique case among any country. 

Rafael,

That's what I figured too (re protocol)!  Anyone here know for certain?  And that's interesting too about the Spanish national anthem.

PD