Bells/tubular bells in orchestral music

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vers la flamme

When the tubular bells come in in Mahler's 9th, first movement, it's a special moment, but all too brief.

Biffo

Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis after Themes by Carl Maria von Weber - the Turandot Scherzo has exotic sounding gongs and bells

Wanderer

Quote from: some guy on July 20, 2020, 08:03:25 PM
And Stravinsky. Les Noces. A magical ending to a magical piece.

Absolutely.


Some particular favourites are already mentioned (esp. Berlioz's Symphonie fantastique, Shostakovich's Symphony No. 11 and Stravinsky's Les noces).
I would add Messiaen's Turangalîla-Symphonie, Puccini's sinister showcase for Scarpia, aka the Te Deum from Tosca, the second movement of Respighi's Feste romane (pilgrims get a first view of Rome from Monte Mario, as church bells ring in the background),  Korngold's Sinfonietta (bells in F♯ and B - esp. in two memorable passages in the exuberant final movement), as well as the beginning of Foulds' A World Requiem, in which an impressive, solemn, immutable B major chorale opens the work amid the pealing of bells.

relm1

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Lepo Sumera Symphony No. 2 (especially last movement that modulates through every minor key where the chimes play out the newly arrived tonality each time).  I far prefer the recording by Paavo Jarvi but can't find it on youtube, but here it is from Kristjan Jarvi.

EDIT: Found Paavo Jarvi's far better version on youtube here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd4DE87B67w

The third movement starts at around 11:20 but well worth hearing this brief work in its entirety. 

Maestro267

A few more, including one that struck me today.

Korngold - Sinfonietta finale. Out of nowhere, the sound of a fairly deep bell in F# grabbed my attention as a climactic moment in the work.

Holst - The Planets - Saturn. The bells appear a few times around the climax of the movement and then again at the very end, the whole edifice underpinned by organ pedal.

Tchaikovsky - Manfred: 3rd movement. As far as I'm can remember, the only appearance of tubular bells in Tchaikovsky's orchestral work outside of the clangour of the 1812 finale.

kyjo

Quote from: vers la flamme on July 21, 2020, 02:43:21 AM
When the tubular bells come in in Mahler's 9th, first movement, it's a special moment, but all too brief.

+1
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kyjo

Quote from: Biffo on July 21, 2020, 04:27:32 AM
Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis after Themes by Carl Maria von Weber - the Turandot Scherzo has exotic sounding gongs and bells

Love that movement!
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kyjo

There's some atmospheric writing for the bells in the magical coda of Novák's tone poem In the Tatra Mountains.
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relm1

Quote from: Biffo on July 21, 2020, 04:27:32 AM
Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis after Themes by Carl Maria von Weber - the Turandot Scherzo has exotic sounding gongs and bells

One of the funnest works I've ever played in too!  Great, great music and so much fun to play.  :)

aukhawk

Quote from: vers la flamme on July 21, 2020, 02:43:21 AM
When the tubular bells come in in Mahler's 9th, first movement, it's a special moment, but all too brief.

Anathema:'(

These should be bell plates, not tubular bells.  The sound is quite different, primeval, more tam-tam-like.  Listen to Haitink's recording with the Concertgebouw.  Now that really is a special moment.

vandermolen

Quote from: relm1 on July 21, 2020, 05:43:16 AM
Lepo Sumera Symphony No. 2 (especially last movement that modulates through every minor key where the chimes play out the newly arrived tonality each time).  I far prefer the recording by Paavo Jarvi but can't find it on youtube, but here it is from Kristjan Jarvi.

EDIT: Found Paavo Jarvi's far better version on youtube here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd4DE87B67w

The third movement starts at around 11:20 but well worth hearing this brief work in its entirety.
+1 for Sumera Symphony No.2 - a great choice. Also for VW Symphony No.8 and Saturn from The Planets and, oh yes, In the Tartras by Novak.
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vers la flamme

Quote from: aukhawk on July 22, 2020, 02:10:46 AM
Anathema:'(

These should be bell plates, not tubular bells.  The sound is quite different, primeval, more tam-tam-like.  Listen to Haitink's recording with the Concertgebouw.  Now that really is a special moment.

Really, I never knew that. On the recordings I have, they do not sound like tam-tams. Does Mahler specify in the score that these bell plates must be used?

some guy

Lot of interesting picks, here.

Thanks to Biffo for reminding me of the Mussorgsky. Come to think of it, I think there are bell bits in almost all of Mussorgsky's music. In almost all Russian music, for that matter.

And thanks to steve, too. Bohor is a shattering piece of music. I'm very fond of it. Hated it at first. Came to love it and cannot now think I could ever have hated it.

pjme

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Quote from: vers la flamme on July 22, 2020, 04:56:46 PM
Really, I never knew that. On the recordings I have, they do not sound like tam-tams. Does Mahler specify in the score that these bell plates must be used?

In the score : "3 tiefe Glocken" ; "Plattenglocken" is not specified. Tubular bells however,  can be had in different sizes.... 8)(cfr. Parsifal)

https://www.vsl.co.at/de/Plate_bells/Brief_Description
https://www.vsl.co.at/de/Plate_bells/Repertoire
https://youtu.be/ZAnY2W-NB2U
Bernstein and the Vienna PhO: https://youtu.be/IoNEeKJ2x44 (tubular bells)
Chung and the Koncertgebouw O. https://youtu.be/7NKvBNliyN8 (plate bells)

Other scores with great moments for bells:
Britten: Death in Venice, the coda of Cantata academica, Phaedra, Peter Grimes, Spring symphony...
Gordon Crosse: Changes: https://youtu.be/9EFlhWuezHo
Hindemith: Harmonie der Welt - coda : https://youtu.be/DoDBxrMrBgw
Morton Gould: Venice (first movement)
Massenet's ballet Le carillon
Higdon: concerto for orchestra (https://youtu.be/SLGp0ig1nKw)
Chostakovich: symphony 13, The execution of Stepan Rasin
Arvo Pärt: Arbos (brass + perc), Ives: From the steeples and the mountains + coda symphony 3
Eugen Suchon: Fantazia on B-A-C-H for Strings, Percussion and Organ: https://youtu.be/MUoAeps2ZCk (go to ca. 19.30)
Gabriel Pierné: Paysages franciscains  (Au jardin de Sainte Claire : very subtle cloches-tubes "lointain")
Debussy: Iberia ( superb transition from Parfums de la nuit to Le matin d'un jour de fête)
Kodaly: Hary Janos....
Toshiro Mayuzumi: Nirvana symphony : https://youtu.be/IUnAHyZD_d4

https://youtu.be/tskLTYfxBFA
https://youtu.be/vC4hhq1ZjvI

Dimitri Tiomkin: Lost horizon. Go to ca. 16.05 for the "Funeral procession".
https://youtu.be/TD148VfMJlo


techniquest

QuoteChung and the Koncertgebouw O. https://youtu.be/7NKvBNliyN8 (plate bells)

Thanks for that link. In that section however, it sounds to me that one of the kettledrums is out of tune.

For bells, I would add Hovhaness' "Fra Angelico". In this sole commercial recording, the bells section starts at 8.55.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru3bOrm8_WY

relm1

Did anyone mention Janacek's Taras Bulba yet during the ending?

Biffo

Quote from: relm1 on July 23, 2020, 05:55:53 AM
Did anyone mention Janacek's Taras Bulba yet during the ending?

Not that I noticed but it is a fine work, well worth a mention.

The climactic Nachtlied section of Strauss' Also Sprach Zarathustra heavily features bells. In his Third Symphony Mahler sets Zarathustra's Midnight Song - the poem has the tolling of bells (Eins! Zwei! etc) in alternate lines but Mahler omits them. He doesn't overtly uses bells at all but there is a tolling in the lower strings.

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I appreciate all of the kind responses. There are works I don't know at all.

I found this:

https://www.youtube.com/v/0T-H-fVlHE0

Mesmerizing and thought-provoking I thought.
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aukhawk

Quote from: Biffo on July 23, 2020, 06:33:23 AM
The climactic Nachtlied section of Strauss' Also Sprach Zarathustra heavily features bells. In his Third Symphony Mahler sets Zarathustra's Midnight Song - the poem has the tolling of bells (Eins! Zwei! etc) in alternate lines but Mahler omits them. He doesn't overtly uses bells at all but there is a tolling in the lower strings.

But then in the very next movement Mahler overtly references bells by having his children's choir sing "Bimmm, Bammm, Bimmm, Bammm" all the way through - one of my favourite Mahler moments.