Johann Theile (1646-1724) fantastic composer early Baroque genius.

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For the CPO  listener of Weser Renaissance Bremen directed by , smart, skilled Manfred Cordes, this is excellent, I like obscured composer a lot,, can someone tell me more about this gentlemen, his music is so alive, I like it because of time span is perfect born in 17th century died in early 18th century, even if it sound more baroque than renaissance  I like his work a lot, heck it's a CPO and Manfred Cordes is a hero a savior of renaissance Polyphony, Manfred  Cordes  I love you're ensemble and you're a fantastic conductor, my respects & honor dear sir, love you're work, you never deceive me in the past I have been a fan since a long time, danke mister  :)

Can someone tell me more info them Wikipedia please, what do you think of Theile, Brilliant composer hey not notoriously know but incredible and absolutely fascinating.

Here what  Wiki tell us about him...


Johann Theile (29 July 1646 – 24 June 1724) was a German composer of the Baroque era, famous for the opera Adam und Eva, Der erschaffene, gefallene und aufgerichtete Mensch, first performed in Hamburg on 2 January 1678.


Contents
1   Life
2   References
2.1   Notes
2.2   Sources
3   External links
Life
After studying law in Leipzig and Halle, Theile took instruction in composition in Weißenfels. His teacher there was the great Heinrich Schütz, the most prominent German composer of the 17th century. Theile is believed to have been one of his last pupils, and is considered one of the most gifted among them. Between 1673 and 1675 he held the position of Court Kapellmeister for Duke Christian Albrecht of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp. Some years later he held the position of Kapellmeister in Wolfenbüttel, where he commenced a musical apprenticeship to Johann Rosenmüller, who by this time had permanently returned to Northern Germany after having spent most of his career in Italy. He also worked in Naumburg, where he likewise held the position of Kapellmeister; Berlin, where he was active as a music teacher to the royal court; as well as Lübeck and Stettin, where he also served a music instructor. In 1673 he wrote his Matthäuspassion (St. Matthew Passion) in Lübeck.

In 1694, Theile returned from a stint as a musical advisor to the Duke of Zeitz to his home town of Naumburg, where he died in 1724.

Theile's compositions encompass Singspiels (German folk operas with spoken dialogue), operas, masses, Psalm settings, Passions (passion oratorios), arias, canzonettas, and sonatas, as well as motets. His sacred opera Adam und Eva was the first work to be performed at the Goosemarket Opera in Hamburg – the first civic opera house in Germany. He also wrote a number of works on music theory, particularly on counterpoint. He also had an outstanding career as a practitioner and theorist in musical pedagogy. Theile taught Johann Mattheson. Dietrich Buxtehude was his most important pupil (despite having been nine years older and having pre-deceased him by more than a decade).


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A complete edition of Theile's works was prepared in the 1930s by Willy Maxton, but was never published.
Maxton's manuscripts are now in the Staats- und Univeritätsbibliothek, Hamburg.

WORKS LIST

operas
first performed in Hamburg, Theater am Gänsemarkt; known only from librettos in D-Hs unless otherwise stated
Adam und Eva, oder Der erschaffene, gefallene und auffgerichtete Mensch, 1678
Orontes, 1678; 5 arias, D-Bsb, ed. in Wolff
Die Geburth Christi, 1681

masses, psalms, passions
Pars prima [6] missarum, 4vv, bc (Wismar, 1673)
Passio nach dem Heiligen Evangelisten Matthäo, 4vv, 4 viols, bc (Lübeck, 1673); ed. in DDT, xvii (1904)
Mass, 5vv, 2 vn, 2 va, 2 cornetts, bc, D-Bsb
Mass, 5vv, bc, Bsb; ed. in Cw, xvi (1932/R)
7 psalms: Beatus vir, 4vv, 5 insts; Benedicam Domino, 4vv, 6 insts; Cum invocarem, 4vv, 5 insts; Dixit Dominus, 4vv, 6 insts; Domine ne in furore, 4vv, 5 insts; Jubilate Deo, 4vv, 5 insts, anon., MS 30243; Laudate Dominum, 4vv, 6 insts: Bsb

motets
Ach dass ich hören sollte, 1v, 4 insts, bc, D-Bsb, S-Uu; Daran ist erschienen die Liebe Gottes, 4vv, 6 insts, bc, Uu; Die Seele Christi heilige mich, 1v, 3 insts, bc, Uu; Gott hilf mir, 1v, 2 insts, bc, D-Bsb; Gott hilf mir, 5vv, 5 insts, bc, S-Uu; Gott, sei mir gnädig, 4vv, 5 insts, bc, D-Bsb: Herr, unser Herrscher, 5vv, 13 insts, bc, Bsb; Ich habe den Herrn allezeit vor Augen, 4vv, 4 insts, bc, Bsb; Ich preise dich Herr, 5vv, 4 insts, bc, Bsb; Ich will den Herrn loben allezeit, 2vv, 3 insts, bc, Bsb; Ich will den Herrn loben allezeit, 5vv, 5 insts, bc, Bsb; Jauchzet Gott, alle Lande, 5vv, 7 insts, bc, Bsb; Jesu, mein Herr und Gott allein, 1v, 3 insts, bc, S-Uu; Litaney, 5vv, 5 insts, bc, D-Bsb; Schaffe in mir Gott, 4vv, 5 insts, bc, Bsb; Triumpff, alleluja, 3vv, 2 insts, bc, Bsb; Tröstet mein Volk, 5vv, 7 insts, bc, Bsb; Warum toben die Heiden, 5vv, 8 insts, bc, Bsb; Wirf dein Anliegen, 4vv, 4 insts, bc, Bsb
Andächtige Kirchen-Music, 4vv, insts, bc, Bsb
Opus musicalis compositionis (Merseburg, 1708) [a catalogue of Theile's sacred works from printed works and MSS]

secular
Weltlicher Arien und Canzonetten erstes, anderes und drittes Zehen, 1, 2, 4vv, 4 viols, bc (Leipzig, 1667); 1 ed. in GMB
Unser Matz hat einen grossen langen Bart, madrigal, 3vv, bc, S-Uu; ed. in Corydon, ii (Brunswick, 1933)
Sonata, 2 vn, trbn, bn, bc, Uu
Sonata, vn, 2 viols, vle, bc, Uu; ed. in Organum, iii/19 (Leipzig, 1929)
 
Saint-Saëns, who predicted to Charles Lecocq in 1901: 'That fellow Ravel seems to me to be destined for a serious future.'

Carlo Gesualdo

Quote from: Scion7 on August 25, 2020, 09:11:46 PM
A complete edition of Theile's works was prepared in the 1930s by Willy Maxton, but was never published.
Maxton's manuscripts are now in the Staats- und Univeritätsbibliothek, Hamburg.

WORKS LIST

operas
first performed in Hamburg, Theater am Gänsemarkt; known only from librettos in D-Hs unless otherwise stated
Adam und Eva, oder Der erschaffene, gefallene und auffgerichtete Mensch, 1678
Orontes, 1678; 5 arias, D-Bsb, ed. in Wolff
Die Geburth Christi, 1681

masses, psalms, passions
Pars prima [6] missarum, 4vv, bc (Wismar, 1673)
Passio nach dem Heiligen Evangelisten Matthäo, 4vv, 4 viols, bc (Lübeck, 1673); ed. in DDT, xvii (1904)
Mass, 5vv, 2 vn, 2 va, 2 cornetts, bc, D-Bsb
Mass, 5vv, bc, Bsb; ed. in Cw, xvi (1932/R)
7 psalms: Beatus vir, 4vv, 5 insts; Benedicam Domino, 4vv, 6 insts; Cum invocarem, 4vv, 5 insts; Dixit Dominus, 4vv, 6 insts; Domine ne in furore, 4vv, 5 insts; Jubilate Deo, 4vv, 5 insts, anon., MS 30243; Laudate Dominum, 4vv, 6 insts: Bsb

motets
Ach dass ich hören sollte, 1v, 4 insts, bc, D-Bsb, S-Uu; Daran ist erschienen die Liebe Gottes, 4vv, 6 insts, bc, Uu; Die Seele Christi heilige mich, 1v, 3 insts, bc, Uu; Gott hilf mir, 1v, 2 insts, bc, D-Bsb; Gott hilf mir, 5vv, 5 insts, bc, S-Uu; Gott, sei mir gnädig, 4vv, 5 insts, bc, D-Bsb: Herr, unser Herrscher, 5vv, 13 insts, bc, Bsb; Ich habe den Herrn allezeit vor Augen, 4vv, 4 insts, bc, Bsb; Ich preise dich Herr, 5vv, 4 insts, bc, Bsb; Ich will den Herrn loben allezeit, 2vv, 3 insts, bc, Bsb; Ich will den Herrn loben allezeit, 5vv, 5 insts, bc, Bsb; Jauchzet Gott, alle Lande, 5vv, 7 insts, bc, Bsb; Jesu, mein Herr und Gott allein, 1v, 3 insts, bc, S-Uu; Litaney, 5vv, 5 insts, bc, D-Bsb; Schaffe in mir Gott, 4vv, 5 insts, bc, Bsb; Triumpff, alleluja, 3vv, 2 insts, bc, Bsb; Tröstet mein Volk, 5vv, 7 insts, bc, Bsb; Warum toben die Heiden, 5vv, 8 insts, bc, Bsb; Wirf dein Anliegen, 4vv, 4 insts, bc, Bsb
Andächtige Kirchen-Music, 4vv, insts, bc, Bsb
Opus musicalis compositionis (Merseburg, 1708) [a catalogue of Theile's sacred works from printed works and MSS]

secular
Weltlicher Arien und Canzonetten erstes, anderes und drittes Zehen, 1, 2, 4vv, 4 viols, bc (Leipzig, 1667); 1 ed. in GMB
Unser Matz hat einen grossen langen Bart, madrigal, 3vv, bc, S-Uu; ed. in Corydon, ii (Brunswick, 1933)
Sonata, 2 vn, trbn, bn, bc, Uu
Sonata, vn, 2 viols, vle, bc, Uu; ed. in Organum, iii/19 (Leipzig, 1929)


Thank you sso much Scion7 for meticulous information, you're very knowledge I really appreciate, there should be a tread on early Germans Baroque, if there one all ready, good idea, early baroque is charming and sweet. Have a splendid day whit lot's a sun and a cloudless blue sky.

Scion7

Saint-Saëns, who predicted to Charles Lecocq in 1901: 'That fellow Ravel seems to me to be destined for a serious future.'

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