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Ghost of Baron Scarpia

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Re: Despair in music?
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2019, 09:05:08 AM »
A detached despair, or a despairing detachment... Quite the oxymoron, honestly.  :)

I see no contradiction. The definition of dispair is a "complete loss or absence of hope." That would naturally manifest itself as a detachment from the world.

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Re: Despair in music?
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2019, 09:23:52 AM »
Here's a medieval interpretation of despair

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/OuK55mm73kY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/OuK55mm73kY</a>

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

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Re: Despair in music?
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2019, 09:26:18 AM »
I see no contradiction. The definition of dispair is a "complete loss or absence of hope." That would naturally manifest itself as a detachment from the world.

Naturally? Hmmmm.... Have you ever felt a complete loss or absence of hope?
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Ghost of Baron Scarpia

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Re: Despair in music?
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2019, 09:58:42 AM »
Naturally? Hmmmm.... Have you ever felt a complete loss or absence of hope?

Yes, but that is not a topic for this web site.

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Re: Despair in music?
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2019, 10:04:25 AM »
Yes, but that is not a topic for this web site.

Agreed, it's too personal and intimate a matter toi be discussed publicly. I might have overstepped a red line, in which case I sincerely apologize.
"Melody is the essence of music." - Mozart

"Believe nothing you hear, and only one-half that you see." - Edgar Allan Poe

Ghost of Baron Scarpia

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Re: Despair in music?
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2019, 10:06:30 AM »
Agreed, it's too personal and intimate a matter toi be discussed publicly. I might have overstepped a red line, in which case I sincerely apologize.

Not a problem.

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Re: Despair in music?
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2019, 10:11:54 AM »
"Melody is the essence of music." - Mozart

"Believe nothing you hear, and only one-half that you see." - Edgar Allan Poe

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Re: Despair in music?
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2020, 04:25:07 AM »
I have recently been playing once more a piano piece that seems to epitomise despair (and also loneliness). Do not complain of overblown romanticism, this is bare bones music: Heller, Op.128 no.4, Einsame Blume. It is marked 'Sehr langsam' and begins with a bare melody, continually rising only to fall again; this is repeated with variation and is followed by rising phrases, each higher than the previous and each terminating in a dissonance. The music then drops to a repeat of the melody, now with minimal accompaniments after which the rising phrases re-occur, this time dropping from a high climactic note and a return is made almost reluctantly (despair indeed) to the opening bare melody leading to two bleak final chords.
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.