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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2020, 06:16:15 AM »
There is also some quid pro quo for the Dems attempts to delegitimize Trump's 2016 victory.


There is always political value in this, which is why Dems did it in both 2016 and 2000.  It has roots older than that because of its factional utility.
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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2020, 07:22:00 AM »

A few months ago some people here, including you, expressed great concern that the USPS headed by Trump's minion Louis DeJoy will deliberately mismanage, mishandle and delay mail ballots. Do you still believe that to have been the case?

      Do you think this is a matter of belief? You just fact checked a claim about California disaster relief. Beliefs and concerns don't justify themselves, do they?
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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2020, 07:34:21 AM »
      Do you think this is a matter of belief? You just fact checked a claim about California disaster relief. Beliefs and concerns don't justify themselves, do they?

So you really claim that the USPS did deliberately mishandle, msimanage and delay some, or many, or most, mail ballots, correct?

Beliefs and concerns can, and sometimes do, justify themselves --- at least that's what you repeatedly stated about the former.




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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2020, 07:50:14 AM »
It's a matter of time, and of how much distrust and hate Trump and his spineless enablers gin up in Trumpworld.

As I was telling Dave (SonicMan) in the ‘Missing Members’ thread, it’s scary to think how much more damage Trump can do since he’s still in office and can’t be ousted legally until January.
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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2020, 08:03:44 AM »
So you really claim that the USPS did deliberately mishandle, msimanage and delay some, or many, or most, mail ballots, correct?

Beliefs and concerns can, and sometimes do, justify themselves --- at least that's what you repeatedly stated about the former.






     No, I don't make any claim about facts that can't be supported about the mail delays. And no, nothing is true because it's believed. Preferably, it's believed because it's true.

     It could be that DeJoy delayed mail delivery for no other purpose than to save money. I doubt that is the case. I think the destruction of mail sorting machines was not a money saving operation. We are entitled to put the most likely construction on the facts as they are. Only then can you have beliefs and concerns.
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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2020, 08:07:42 AM »
     No, I don't make any claim about facts that can't be supported
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Very good.


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« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2020, 08:10:55 AM »
Not confounding at all, they don't want to alienate Trump supporters who have the power to replace them in the next primary.  They all know the fraud allegations are baseless and Biden will be president.  There is also some quid pro quo for the Dems attempts to delegitimize Trump's 2016 victory.  This is why you hear language like ' he has every right to look into allegations'


It also gives them an excuse to obstruct Biden every way they can and motivate votes in both 2022 and 2024.

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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2020, 08:15:51 AM »
Might as well drop this here.

At least one section of the Proud Boys has decided now is a good time to announce it has been, is, and always will be a bunch of white supremacists.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil-war-brewing-inside-proud-boys-as-top-leader-says-hes-done-pretending-he-isnt-a-nazi/

One version of the story I've seen says they've actually changed their name to Proud Goys.

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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2020, 08:48:12 AM »
It also gives them an excuse to obstruct Biden every way they can and motivate votes in both 2022 and 2024.


They do not need excuses.  They are the opposition party.
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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2020, 11:01:50 AM »
As I was telling Dave (SonicMan) in the ‘Missing Members’ thread, it’s scary to think how much more damage Trump can do since he’s still in office and can’t be ousted legally until January.

Headline today, giving the lie to the "the policies matter, the character doesn't" enablers:

Chaotic presidential transition brings vulnerability, security risks to nation

read: Trump being an asshole brings vulnerability, security risks to nation
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« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2020, 11:03:56 AM »
Trump lawyers suffer embarrassing rebukes from judges over voter fraud claims

Who knew the courts would be tougher than Hannity?
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« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2020, 11:19:46 AM »
Chaotic presidential transition brings vulnerability, security risks to nation

What are those exact vulnerability and security risks to nation? Does the article name them?


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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2020, 11:33:11 AM »
Trump lawyers suffer embarrassing rebukes from judges over voter fraud claims

Since when is a banana republic dictator supposed to have his will presented in courts by lawyers, let alone rebuked by judges? Is not a banana republic dictator supposed to have his will implemented without delay by anyone, judges and courts included?

Boy, I would just love to watch live the first ever dictator in North America, ever to be arrested in, and evicted under military escort, from the presidential residence, and the first ever North American banana republic returning to what it's ever been, even under its ousted dictator: a republic ruled by the rule of law.



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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2020, 12:01:23 PM »
What are those exact vulnerability and security risks to nation? Does the article name them?

I will re-post:

"I imagine it is stuff.  Perhaps things."

A question to the moderator who deleted the first response, how does this violate the new rules?  The intention of the post is to point out the vagueness and lack of specifics in the so far ambiguous concerns about security risks.
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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2020, 12:02:10 PM »
Since when is a banana republic dictator supposed to have his will presented in courts by lawyers, let alone rebuked by judges? Is not a banana republic dictator supposed to have his will implemented without delay by anyone, judges and courts included?

Boy, I would just love to watch live the first ever dictator in North America, ever to be arrested in, and evicted under military escort, from the presidential residence, and the first ever North American banana republic returning to what it's ever been, even under its ousted dictator: a republic ruled by the rule of law.

It's all political theater. The election challenge doesn't have to be a serious one, since the object is to raise funds for future political action and paying off campaign debt. Trump's lawyers are used to being humiliated. That's what they're paid for. He has launched thousands of frivolous lawsuits in his life. No one takes them seriously. Trump has attempted to turn the U.S. into a banana republic, but he proved just as incompetent in that venture as at everything else he's done in his life — except perhaps playing a business tycoon on "reality" TV.

I will re-post:

"I imagine it is stuff.  Perhaps things."

A question to the moderator who deleted the first response, how does this violate the new rules?  The intention of the post is to point out the vagueness and lack of specifics in the so far ambiguous concerns about security risks.

I understood Todd's post as it was intended and agree that it wasn't trolling. It was just a dry way of asking for specific information.
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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2020, 12:16:29 PM »
Biden's planned "day one" executive actions include:

- Rejoin Paris climate accord
- Reverse Muslim ban
- Reinstate DACA
- Reverse Trump rollback of Obama heath/environmental rules

Kyle Kulinski's comment: Wonderful stuff and this kind of start might be the best part of Biden presidency.

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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #58 on: November 11, 2020, 12:20:40 PM »
Biden's planned "day one" executive actions include:

- Rejoin Paris climate accord
- Reverse Muslim ban
- Reinstate DACA
- Reverse Trump rollback of Obama heath/environmental rules

Kyle Kulinski's comment: Wonderful stuff and this kind of start might be the best part of Biden presidency.


It is instructive that with respect to DACA, an executive order will be used to repeal an executive order than countermanded an executive order.  I guess that's democratic.

On ACA changes, that will be tougher, because Congress changed some of the ACA.
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Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2020, 12:25:27 PM »

It also gives them an excuse to obstruct Biden every way they can and motivate votes in both 2022 and 2024.

Excuse me, but I seem to remember Democrats obstructing Trump in every way when he was elected. Why the double standards?