USA Politics (redux)

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ritter

From a Mediterranean perspective, the term "Hyperborean" seems the best... :D

71 dB

Quote from: ritter on November 15, 2020, 03:31:13 AM
From a Mediterranean perspective, the term "Hyperborean" seems the best... :D

You are having Tangerine Dreams if you have such perspective.  ;)

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Quote from: 71 dB on November 15, 2020, 03:24:47 AM
Scandinavia: Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Defined by Scandinavian languages.
Fennoscandia: Norway, Sweden, Finland and parts of Russia next to Finland. Defined geologically (peninsula)
Nordic countries: Island, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland. Defined culturally and politically.

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71 dB

Quote from: Herman on November 15, 2020, 03:53:26 AM
One learns something every day

I hope so. Apparently for example the Northern parts of Mexico are considered part of North America. I had always thought the USA + Canada = North America.  :-X
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Quote from: T. D. on November 15, 2020, 05:56:36 AM
Yes. Shoulda known.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-15/trump-acts-defeated-while-still-insisting-he-beat-joe-biden
What do you think that the chances are that he'll have to be escorted out of the White House?  I suspect that he'll start packing on December 15th (the day after the electors meet)....or maybe just after Christmas?

PD
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Herman

He sure is busy golfing.

Golfing and tweeting.

Other than that, nothing.

Daverz

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 15, 2020, 06:03:00 AM
What do you think that the chances are that he'll have to be escorted out of the White House?  I suspect that he'll start packing on December 15th (the day after the electors meet)....or maybe just after Christmas?

PD

Probably not until Congress certifies the electoral votes on January 6.  He'll resign, and then Pence will be sworn in as POTUS so that he can pardon Trump. 

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Daverz on November 15, 2020, 06:29:27 AM
Probably not until Congress certifies the electoral votes on January 6.  He'll resign, and then Pence will be sworn in as POTUS so that he can pardon Trump.
Oh, God, I hope that it doesn't get dragged out that long!

And I hope that Pres. Trump doesn't try and go to that extreme!  It would also be an admission of guilt--which he's never admitted any wrong-doing.  Looking up presidential pardon, according to one website:

"Presidential Pardon Rules and Procedures

The rules and procedures for seeking and receiving a pardon are contained in the Code of Federal Regulations (Title 28, Chapter 1, Part 1). Anyone who wishes to apply for clemency at the federal level must follow the rules and file a petition with the Department of Justice (specifically, the Office of the Pardon Attorney).

The Pardon Attorney and their staff review petitions for clemency (either for a pardon or a commutation), conduct investigations, and prepare recommendations for the President. While the guilt or innocence of the petitioner isn't considered (i.e. the conviction stands), the decision to grant clemency generally rests on the following factors:

Post-conviction conduct, character, and reputation;
Seriousness of the offense;
*Acceptance of responsibility, remorse, and atonement;
Need for relief; and
Official recommendations and reports.
Although there are formal procedures and guidelines in place for a presidential pardon or commutation, the President is not bound by these rules and may issue clemency in accordance with the powers granted by the Constitution."

*I can't see this happening, can you?  And I'm not even going into some of the other factors!  ::)

PD
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Herman

Quote from: Daverz on November 15, 2020, 06:29:27 AM
He'll resign, and then Pence will be sworn in as POTUS so that he can pardon Trump.

Every time people talk about Biden as #46 I think, 47 is the more likely number, due to the pardon-necessitated switcheroo.

Daverz

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 15, 2020, 07:13:18 AM
"[snip] Although there are formal procedures and guidelines in place for a presidential pardon or commutation, the President is not bound by these rules and may issue clemency in accordance with the powers granted by the Constitution."

*I can't see this happening, can you?

Oh, absolutely. 

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Daverz on November 15, 2020, 07:16:06 AM
Oh, absolutely.
The article also mentions that asking for a pardon is also, basically, an admission of guilt.  Would Pres. Trump be willing to do that...thinking of all of his denials and ego?  And would VP Pence be willing to go so low too?  Or would he try and justify it in his head that the Dems are just on a witch hunt?

PD
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T. D.

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 15, 2020, 06:03:00 AM
What do you think that the chances are that he'll have to be escorted out of the White House?  I suspect that he'll start packing on December 15th (the day after the electors meet)....or maybe just after Christmas?

PD
Take into account that I (a) absolutely loathe Cheeto Mussolini; (b) am inclined to pessimism, but...

I expect CM to attempt to monkey with the Electoral College and seek to have electors change their votes.
See for instance
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/14/opinions/the-electoral-college-is-not-going-to-give-trump-a-second-term/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/12/could-electoral-college-be-stolen-biden/   (I can't read this due to paywall)

Todd

Back in 2016, various people placed faith in faithless electors throwing the election to Hillary.  They did not.  I should like to understand how this time is somehow different.

I also wonder what actual con law experts say about the pardon clause and what is possible.  Last I read, actual experts are divided on what Trump can do or may need to do.

And for apparent techno newbies, use a Chrome incognito session if you really want to read AmPo stories for free.
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People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Herman

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Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 15, 2020, 07:21:32 AM
And would VP Pence be willing to go so low too?


No question.

If asked to justify, he'd cleverly say the USA is no banana republic, where former presidents etc are thrown in the slammer.

In that way he'd follow standard GOP procedure of projection.

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: T. D. on November 15, 2020, 07:27:10 AM
Take into account that I (a) absolutely loathe Cheeto Mussolini; (b) am inclined to pessimism, but...

I expect CM to attempt to monkey with the Electoral College and seek to have electors change their votes.
See for instance
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/14/opinions/the-electoral-college-is-not-going-to-give-trump-a-second-term/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/12/could-electoral-college-be-stolen-biden/   (I can't read this due to paywall)
Thanks for the links; I was able to read the CNN one.  Not particularly surprised (maybe a bit) how often both parties have tried to sway the electors, but the upshot of the CNN article is--not likely to sway enough to make a difference...the numbers are normally very few.

Do you think that Pres. Trump would try and go so far as to resign and try and get a presidential pardon?

Quote from: Todd on November 15, 2020, 07:32:12 AM


I also wonder what actual con law experts say about the pardon clause and what is possible.  Last I read, actual experts are divided on what Trump can do or may need to do.

Do you (or anyone else here) have any suggestions as to who are some good law experts to check out?

PD
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Todd

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 15, 2020, 10:50:16 AMDo you (or anyone else here) have any suggestions as to who are some good law experts to check out?


I do not.  I eagerly await seeing the experts others on this forum rely on.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Daverz

Quote from: Herman on November 15, 2020, 07:48:34 AM
No question.

If asked to justify, he'd cleverly say the USA is no banana republic, where former presidents etc are thrown in the slammer.

In that way he'd follow standard GOP procedure of projection.

A pardon would be spun as thwarting the inevitable demoncrap witch hunt against Trump.  Take that, libtards!  It would also ensure Pence's place on the wingnut welfare gravy train.  But maybe Trump will try to cut out the middleman and pardon himself.