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drogulus

    Trump can't be the judge in his own case. That's the essence of the argument Tribe and others make in a WaPo article.

Self-pardon under this rubric is impossible. The foundational case in the Anglo-American legal tradition is Thomas Bonham v. College of Physicians, commonly known as Dr. Bonham's Case. In 1610, the Court of Common Pleas determined that the College of Physicians could not act as a court and a litigant in the same case. The college's royal charter had given it the authority to punish individuals who practiced without a license. However, the court held that it was impermissible for the college to receive a fine that it had the power to inflict: "One cannot be Judge and attorney for any of the parties."

The Constitution embodies this broad precept against self-dealing in its rule that congressional pay increases cannot take effect during the Congress that enacted them, in its prohibition against using official power to gain favors from foreign states and even in its provision that the chief justice, not the vice president, is to preside when the Senate conducts an impeachment trial of the president.


      Self pardon will be found unconstitutional if a case reaches the court. Until then the proper analogy should govern predictions, and the law doesn't have one for lawful self judgment.
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Karl Henning

Quote from: drogulus on November 16, 2020, 06:13:00 AM
    Trump can't be the judge in his own case. That's the essence of the argument Tribe and others make in a WaPo article.

Not even if he had the least jurisprudential credibility.
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drogulus

Quote from: Todd on November 16, 2020, 05:54:41 AM

It was also all but certain that Trump would steal the election.

     He did what he could. Most people thought he would fail. It looks like he failed. It was more like a "stolen election week" than a stolen election.
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drogulus


     Trump's mind's on his money and his money's on his mind.

     


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Karl Henning

Quote from: drogulus on November 16, 2020, 06:29:39 AM
     He did what he could. Most people thought he would fail. It looks like he failed. It was more like a "stolen election week" than a stolen election.

And look at all the Republicans acknowledging the results.
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
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Karl Henning

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Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
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His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

drogulus

Quote from: JBS on November 16, 2020, 05:38:33 AM
But Nixon's acceptance of the pardon was, at least in the legal sense, an admission that he has committed crimes which needed a pardon.

     The next AG will probably let nature take its course on prosecuting Trump. It would be crazy to do otherwise. There's a lot more long national nightmare to come.

     A news person guy says:

President-elect Joe Biden has said his Justice Department would be totally independent and that he wouldn't tell the Justice Department whom to prosecute. But he's also said in an August interview that prosecuting a former president would be "probably not very good for democracy."

     Biden wants to play by the old rules so they will still be the rules. The rules were followed so long because Presidents, even Nixon, recognized some limits on how far they were willing to go. Trump was only limited by his incompetence and failure to distinguish a trial balloon from a real world coup. Perhaps he thought he could inspire a kind of "meet the leader in the middle" uprising. I'll suggest that no bright line exists to distinguish the real from the fake in this regard. As the numbers grow "this is no dream! this is really happening!" takes over.

     
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Herman

Quote from: Todd on November 16, 2020, 05:54:41 AM

It was also all but certain that Trump would steal the election.

Well, you can't say he did not try.

Nobody can beat your prediction of a Biden landslide.

drogulus

Quote from: Herman on November 16, 2020, 09:50:40 AM
Well, you can't say he did not try.


     Trump put too much deniability into his effort. We know how Trump hedges risk to his reputation. If it didn't work he didn't do it.

     So, who among the Trump offspring "has his father's eyes"?
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Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

T. D.

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 16, 2020, 10:57:37 AM
"Conning supporters, but not actually affecting results."

Not just your typical Cheeto Mussolini tantrum, but a strategy that has been planned for years:

https://news.yahoo.com/behind-trumps-yearslong-effort-turn-132056603.html

71 dB

Quote from: Dowder on November 16, 2020, 08:41:20 AM
Trump should go retire to Israel and write his memoirs.

IT WOULD BE THE FIRST EVER MEMOIRS WRITTEN ALL CAPS.  :P
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T. D.

Quote from: 71 dB on November 16, 2020, 11:17:40 AM
IT WOULD BE THE FIRST EVER MEMOIRS WRITTEN ALL CAPS.  :P

It'd of course be ghostwritten, but no doubt the ghost writer would throw in lots of caps for verisimilitude.  :laugh:

Would bookshops file the, uh, product (trying to restrain myself) under "Fiction" or "Memoirs"?  :D

71 dB

Quote from: T. D. on November 16, 2020, 11:30:39 AM
It'd of course be ghostwritten, but no doubt the ghost writer would throw in lots of caps for verisimilitude.  :laugh:

Yeah, it must be written by a GHOSTWRITER.

Quote from: T. D. on November 16, 2020, 11:30:39 AMWould bookshops file the, uh, product (trying to restrain myself) under "Fiction" or "Memoirs"?  :D

It should be filed under "Delusions."
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Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Pohjolas Daughter

Breaking news:  Pres. Trump wants to withdraw more troops from Afghanistan and Iraq--against the advice of top military officers.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pentagon-prepares-for-trump-order-to-withdraw-troops-from-afghanistan-iraq/ar-BB1b45YL

Just heard the news on CNN

PD
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premont

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 16, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
Breaking news:  Pres. Trump wants to withdraw more troops from Afghanistan and Iraq--against the advice of top military officers.

He has never listened to the expertise. And as predicted, he wants to create chaos in his lame (Donald) duck period to make things as difficult as possible for Biden. Apparently he neither cares about his legacy nor the USA.
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Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: (: premont :) on November 16, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
He has never listened to the expertise. And as predicted, he wants to create chaos in his lame (Donald) duck period to make things as difficult as possible for Biden. Apparently he neither cares about his legacy nor the USA.

Take a look at his recent Twitter postings--even just today.  At this point I'm wondering if he's truly delusional.  I don't know, premont, perhaps he's thinking that he's fulfilling promises made?  And that Americans who have military family overseas there will welcome his actions and come and support him?  I honestly don't know at this point whether or not he's trying ' to make things as difficult as possible for Biden'.  I suspect that in his mind, he can't conceive of the fact that maybe Americans chose Biden and weren't happy with how he was doing as president.  I do think though that he cares about his legacy.  I'm neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist though.

In any event, sleep well.  I'm off to fix dinner.

Best wishes,

PD
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Karl Henning

Quote from: (: premont :) on November 16, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
He has never listened to the expertise. And as predicted, he wants to create chaos in his lame (Donald) duck period to make things as difficult as possible for Biden. Apparently he neither cares about his legacy nor the USA.

And, of course, he's interested in preserving no one's life but his own.
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His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

drogulus

Quote from: (: premont :) on November 16, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
He has never listened to the expertise. And as predicted, he wants to create chaos in his lame (Donald) duck period to make things as difficult as possible for Biden. Apparently he neither cares about his legacy nor the USA.

     The military has no doubt tried to tell Trump that our peace partners will attack our troops as they leave the country. Withdrawal must be carefully planned. Trump is not interested.
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