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Quote from: milk on November 20, 2020, 07:14:16 AM
I agree 100% about extremism on both sides and the masks. yes. I live in Japan. Masks were a way of life even before this. Japan isn't out of the woods yet either but it's still got on much better than Europe or the U.S. Everyone in Japan wears a masks from when they step out of their houses to when they come home. You can even see Japanese people driving in their cars alone with their masks on.

Maybe I should move to Japan --- it sounds like my kind of place. :)

flyingdutchman

Lived in Japan for 12 years and yep, way of life.

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Dry Brett Kavanaugh

People with professional degrees may like living there. The people with, or without, bachelors degrees are divided.

Pohjolas Daughter

Anyone else here concerned about the 4 p.m. meeting today (Friday) between the two Michigan election officials and Pres. Trump at the White House?

PD
Pohjolas Daughter

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Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 20, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
Anyone else here concerned about the 4 p.m. meeting today (Friday) between the two Michigan election officials and Pres. Trump at the White House?

PD

Not really. Acceptance of defeat is a long and painful road for some people, especially when they're a billionaire.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Mirror Image on November 20, 2020, 07:08:53 AM
There's extremism on both sides of the political spectrum, but to anyone who disbelieves COVID and refuses to, at the very least, to wear a mask around other people is a huge part of the current health crisis of this country. Masks should be mandated and I agree with what President Joe Biden said, "Wearing a mask isn't a political statement."

Science-deniers gonna deny.
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Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot


T. D.

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 20, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
Anyone else here concerned about the 4 p.m. meeting today (Friday) between the two Michigan election officials and Pres. Trump at the White House?

PD

Yes, very much so. I have been following the story for days (they opposed certification, then approved, then tried to renege on approval under pressure from Cheeto Mussolini). Was alarmed at yesterday's announcement that the officials were being summoned to the WH.
I fear this will begin Cheeto's campaign to have Republicans switch states' Electoral votes.

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Mirror Image on November 20, 2020, 10:19:14 AM
Not really. Acceptance of defeat is a long and painful road for some people, especially when they're a billionaire.

I found some more info here.  I doesn't sound like legally they could change the electors:

"Under Michigan law, its legislature is barred from appointing its own electors who are different from the slate of electors of the presidential candidate who won the popular vote in the state."

This is the whole article:  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/20/michigan-lawmakers-to-meet-trump-amid-vote-certification-anger.html

PD
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Todd

How many presidential elections have faithless electors changed, I wonder.  Actually, I don't wonder.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

T. D.

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 20, 2020, 10:37:56 AM
I found some more info here.  I doesn't sound like legally they could change the electors:

"Under Michigan law, its legislature is barred from appointing its own electors who are different from the slate of electors of the presidential candidate who won the popular vote in the state."

This is the whole article:  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/20/michigan-lawmakers-to-meet-trump-amid-vote-certification-anger.html

PD

If they've been summoned to the WH, CM is definitely gonna hold a press conference. No doubt scheduled for after the markets close, probably in the 5 PM area.
I've no idea about what will be said in the press conference, but likely something that Cheeto deems significant. One thing I can say with certainty: CM's hair dye will hold up better than Ghouliani's did yesterday...




Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: T. D. on November 20, 2020, 10:56:48 AM
If they've been summoned to the WH, CM is definitely gonna hold a press conference. No doubt scheduled for after the markets close, probably in the 5 PM area.
I've no idea about what will be said in the press conference, but likely something that Cheeto deems significant. One thing I can say with certainty: CM's hair dye will hold up better than Ghouliani's did yesterday...


I'm a bit confused by this article:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-called-republican-election-official-in-wayne-county-michigan-who-initially-voted-against-certifying-results/ar-BB1baFQy?pfr=1

"On Tuesday, when the board first took up a motion to certify the county's election results, the vote came out 2-2 — deadlocked along partisan lines, with the Republicans opposing certification.

Palmer offered a compromise: "I would be open to a motion to certify communities other than the city of Detroit."

An hours-long public comment period followed where the Republican members of the board were called racist for disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Black voters.

At the end of the meeting, Jonathan Kinloch, the Democratic vice chair, offered a resolution to certify the county's election results that called on Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to conduct a comprehensive audit of the county's precincts that recorded unexplained discrepancies between the number of ballots recorded as cast and the number of ballots counted."

"The board unanimously supported Kinloch's resolution."

"Throughout the meeting, Trump continued his quest for victories in states that he lost at the ballot box, making dubious claims to a procedural win in Michigan. He falsely claimed in a tweet that "Michigan just refused to certify the election results." Trump appeared to have confused the Board of State Canvassers with the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. The members of the state board are scheduled to meet Monday to vote on certifying Michigan's election results."

Sooo...o.k., if I'm understanding this correctly, the state board will be voting Monday on certifying Michigan's results, but how can they do this without the Wayne County board certifying at their end?  Or will there be discussion between the two boards on Monday (with what they, the state, found re any big discrepancies, etc. at their end) with then the Wayne County (hopefully) certifying things at their end and then the certification at the state level?  Has Wayne county finally certified things (for sure this time)?

PD
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Karl Henning

Quote from: T. D. on November 20, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
Yes, very much so. I have been following the story for days (they opposed certification, then approved, then tried to renege on approval under pressure from Cheeto Mussolini). Was alarmed at yesterday's announcement that the officials were being summoned to the WH.
I fear this will begin Cheeto's campaign to have Republicans switch states' Electoral votes.

He'll place the Michigan officials in danger of committing a felony.  Of course, Trump regularly consorts with felons, so his blinders are securely fastened.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

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Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 20, 2020, 10:37:56 AM
I found some more info here.  I doesn't sound like legally they could change the electors:

"Under Michigan law, its legislature is barred from appointing its own electors who are different from the slate of electors of the presidential candidate who won the popular vote in the state."

This is the whole article:  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/20/michigan-lawmakers-to-meet-trump-amid-vote-certification-anger.html

PD

Trump is going to have to be escorted out of the White House. There's no question about it. Whatever 'legacy' he had before election night has now been rewritten. He will go down as one of the poorest presidents in our recent history. Hell, James Buchanan and Franklin Pierce actually have better legacies than Trump and that's not saying much! ;D

Herman

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 20, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
Anyone else here concerned about the 4 p.m. meeting today (Friday) between the two Michigan election officials and Pres. Trump at the White House?

PD

I am. Not much, but the "it can't happen here" thought, doesn't apply anymore.

Karl Henning

Observation of the Day: "A clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 20, 2020, 11:21:17 AM
Observation of the Day: "A clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower."

:laugh:

Herman

I'm not just concerned about what these MI election officials will do, because it seems too late to do anything.

However, there is a lot of violence brewing under the surface in MI, and Trump wouldn't bat an eye at pushing these crazy rednecks over the edge, if he doesn't get his way.

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: T. D. on November 20, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
Yes, very much so. I have been following the story for days (they opposed certification, then approved, then tried to renege on approval under pressure from Cheeto Mussolini). Was alarmed at yesterday's announcement that the officials were being summoned to the WH.
I fear this will begin Cheeto's campaign to have Republicans switch states' Electoral votes.
T.D.  I had made a post after years due to some confusion at my end....but you might have missed it or not seen it yet.
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 20, 2020, 11:08:51 AM
I'm a bit confused by this article:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-called-republican-election-official-in-wayne-county-michigan-who-initially-voted-against-certifying-results/ar-BB1baFQy?pfr=1

"On Tuesday, when the board first took up a motion to certify the county's election results, the vote came out 2-2 — deadlocked along partisan lines, with the Republicans opposing certification.

Palmer offered a compromise: "I would be open to a motion to certify communities other than the city of Detroit."

An hours-long public comment period followed where the Republican members of the board were called racist for disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Black voters.

At the end of the meeting, Jonathan Kinloch, the Democratic vice chair, offered a resolution to certify the county's election results that called on Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to conduct a comprehensive audit of the county's precincts that recorded unexplained discrepancies between the number of ballots recorded as cast and the number of ballots counted."

"The board unanimously supported Kinloch's resolution."

"Throughout the meeting, Trump continued his quest for victories in states that he lost at the ballot box, making dubious claims to a procedural win in Michigan. He falsely claimed in a tweet that "Michigan just refused to certify the election results." Trump appeared to have confused the Board of State Canvassers with the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. The members of the state board are scheduled to meet Monday to vote on certifying Michigan's election results."

Sooo...o.k., if I'm understanding this correctly, the state board will be voting Monday on certifying Michigan's results, but how can they do this without the Wayne County board certifying at their end?  Or will there be discussion between the two boards on Monday (with what they, the state, found re any big discrepancies, etc. at their end) with then the Wayne County (hopefully) certifying things at their end and then the certification at the state level?  Has Wayne county finally certified things (for sure this time)?

PD
Since you have been following this closely, perhaps you know the answer?  I guess my other question, thinking about it, did the 'asking to have their votes rescinded' count?  Just trying to figure out what is going to happen from here (see the above comments/questions by yours truly)?

PD
Pohjolas Daughter