USA Politics (redux)

[JBS]

Twitter, Facebook and Instagram have all suspended Trump's accounts.

Twitter has suspended his account permanently.

In a somewhat broader-reaching action, Google has removed Parler from its app store, and Apple has given Parler 24 hours to come up with moderation policies that will be effective against violence.

[T. D.]

For all the jokes and so forth, I believe we're in for some scary times.
I'll be shocked if there aren't armed assaults on a number of State capitols, and wouldn't be surprised to see more Oklahoma City style bombings of Federal buildings. I almost typed Nashville in the last sentence; that seems to have been 5G- rather than political-related, so I'll add that corporate targets are possible. I hope that  various "lamestream" (in Cheetospeak) newspapers and TV networks heavily beef up security.

[Mirror Image]

For all the jokes and so forth, I believe we're in for some scary times.
I'll be shocked if there aren't armed assaults on a number of State capitols, and wouldn't be surprised to see more Oklahoma City style bombings of Federal buildings. I almost typed Nashville in the last sentence; that seems to have been 5G- rather than political-related, so I'll add that corporate targets are possible. I hope that  various "lamestream" (in Cheetospeak) newspapers and TV networks heavily beef up security.

And the main difference here is these people won't be tear gassed as this treatment is only reserved for the Black Lives Matter movement. Anyway, from my understanding, January 16th is going to be the day when these scumbags are going to attack the capitols of these various states.

[T. D.]

And the main difference here is these people won't be tear gassed as this treatment is only reserved for the Black Lives Matter movement. Anyway, from my understanding, January 16th is going to be the day when these scumbags are going to attack the capitols of these various states.

Well, if they can round up all of the dreaded Antifa  before then (I'd seen 1/17 as another target date), that'll solve the problem and there'll be nothing to fear.

[Mirror Image]

Well, if they can round up all of the dreaded Antifa  before then (I'd seen 1/17 as another target date), that'll solve the problem and there'll be nothing to fear.

[Mirror Image]

Trump has been chastised temporarily, but I fully expect him to announce on January 20 that he has declared martial law and ordered the arrest and summary execution of Joe Biden on charges of treason. At least, as things stand, he won't be able to tweet his invocation of martial law and will he at a loss to figure out how to declare martial law otherwise, since no one in the White House will be willing to type up an executive order for him. Maybe hand written with a sharpie.

Hah! Yeah, I can imagine him saying "I want martial law! Now!" and then he's greeted with the sound of crickets chirping.

[Herman]

Republican Attorneys General Association urged march on Capitol Building.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-ags-group-sent-robocalls-urging-march-capitol-n1253581

I am disgusted to be a lawyer.

These people should be disbarred. You practise law, you vow to uphold the law.

[Herman]

For all the jokes and so forth, I believe we're in for some scary times.
I'll be shocked if there aren't armed assaults on a number of State capitols, and wouldn't be surprised to see more Oklahoma City style bombings of Federal buildings.

Let's hope and pray he has a lot of golfing to do.

January 6 could indeed be the definitive starting point of a nativist terrorist movement; however, let's not kid ourselves. These people were busy for a much longer time, such as the bunch of dead-enders who were figuring out how to kill Gretchen Whitttmer on her doorstep.

What needs to be done first, is put every single one of these looters and lawbreakers behind bars for a long time. That horned guy is a hero, insouciantly posing for pictured as if he's totally invulnerable to the law. That illusion needs to be broken.

News, too, is that electronic devices have been stolen during the Capitol coup, making the entire national security system vulnerable.

[BasilValentine]

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
We chortle in our joy.
For it's such fun that Twitter dum
Has lost his favorite toy

[Pohjolas Daughter]

The POTUS tweet was deleted within 1 minute, and that account is clearly being closely watched or else is now locked down too, until Joe takes it over on the 20^th. 

He's become addicted to tweeting.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

For all the jokes and so forth, I believe we're in for some scary times.
I'll be shocked if there aren't armed assaults on a number of State capitols, and wouldn't be surprised to see more Oklahoma City style bombings of Federal buildings. I almost typed Nashville in the last sentence; that seems to have been 5G- rather than political-related, so I'll add that corporate targets are possible. I hope that  various "lamestream" (in Cheetospeak) newspapers and TV networks heavily beef up security.

For all the jokes and so forth, I believe we're in for some scary times.
I'll be shocked if there aren't armed assaults on a number of State capitols, and wouldn't be surprised to see more Oklahoma City style bombings of Federal buildings. I almost typed Nashville in the last sentence; that seems to have been 5G- rather than political-related, so I'll add that corporate targets are possible. I hope that  various "lamestream" (in Cheetospeak) newspapers and TV networks heavily beef up security.

God I hope and pray that we don't have any more violence!

[Fëanor]

For all the jokes and so forth, I believe we're in for some scary times.
I'll be shocked if there aren't armed assaults on a number of State capitols, and wouldn't be surprised to see more Oklahoma City style bombings of Federal buildings. I almost typed Nashville in the last sentence; that seems to have been 5G- rather than political-related, so I'll add that corporate targets are possible. I hope that  various "lamestream" (in Cheetospeak) newspapers and TV networks heavily beef up security.

Speaking of "armed assaults" I think it is very fortunate that Washington DC doesn't permit "open carry" as do various states.  In the first instant I think many Trumpites didn't bring guns being aware that Washington police could and probably would immediately arrest them if they were carrying guns.  Things could have been much, much worse of any number of rioters had had guns.

As it was there were at least a couple of arrests relating to guns and other weapons.

[T. D.]

Let's hope and pray he has a lot of golfing to do.

January 6 could indeed be the definitive starting point of a nativist terrorist movement; however, let's not kid ourselves. These people were busy for a much longer time, such as the bunch of dead-enders who were figuring out how to kill Gretchen Whitttmer on her doorstep.

What needs to be done first, is put every single one of these looters and lawbreakers behind bars for a long time. That horned guy is a hero, insouciantly posing for pictured as if he's totally invulnerable to the law. That illusion needs to be broken.

News, too, is that electronic devices have been stolen during the Capitol coup, making the entire national security system vulnerable.

[Emphasis added] Good luck with that.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-08/west-virginia-lawmaker-derrick-evans-charged-over-capitol-riot
...
The charges against Evans and Barnett are among more than 50 cases the Justice Department has brought against members of the pro-Trump mob that laid siege to the Capitol on Wednesday, smashing windows and sending lawmakers fleeing for safety.

The riot has triggered an expansive national investigation led by an assortment of agencies including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Capitol Police, the U.S. Marshals, the Metropolitan Police Department in
Washington, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the U.S. attorney's office in Washington.

At a news conference on Friday, U.S. officials said hundreds of federal law-enforcement agents across three command centers were working on the investigation, scouring video footage and social media posts to identify the perpetrators. All 56 field offices of the FBI are involved.

"The department will spare no resources in our efforts to hold all of these people accountable," prosecutor Ken Kohl said.

President Donald Trump issued an executive order in June saying it was the policy of the U.S. to prosecute anyone who vandalizes federal property to the maximum extent -- with up to 10 years in prison. But there is no indication the rioters will be charged in accordance with the order, John Banzhaf, a professor of law at George Washington University, said in an emailed statement.

"It appears that most of the rioting insurrectionists will face only minor charges, and may well pay only a small fine without spending any time in prison for their crimes," Banzhaf said.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Let's hope and pray he has a lot of golfing to do.

January 6 could indeed be the definitive starting point of a nativist terrorist movement; however, let's not kid ourselves. These people were busy for a much longer time, such as the bunch of dead-enders who were figuring out how to kill Gretchen Whitttmer on her doorstep.

What needs to be done first, is put every single one of these looters and lawbreakers behind bars for a long time. That horned guy is a hero, insouciantly posing for pictured as if he's totally invulnerable to the law. That illusion needs to be broken.

News, too, is that electronic devices have been stolen during the Capitol coup, making the entire national security system vulnerable.

Yes, I've heard that some laptops were stolen.   

[T. D.]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/09/pro-trump-dark-money-groups-organized-the-rally-that-led-to-deadly-capitol-hill-riot.html

Also from CNBC live update:

The U.S. Defense Department called Wednesday's pro-Trump riots "first amendment protests" in an official memorandum outlining the D.C. National Guard's response that day.

The memo was issued by the office of the acting Defense secretary. The president fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper in November and replaced him with Christopher Miller, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center.

The police response to the mob of armed rioters who stormed the Capitol has been criticized as lenient, especially in comparison to police response to nonviolent 2018 climate change protests at the Capitol, as well as nationwide protests following the killing of George Floyd in May.

Some former U.S. national security officials have also questioned federal law enforcement's lack of preparedness to prevent the Capitol siege.

Five people died in the mob attack on Congress, including a police officer. CNBC has reached out to the Defense Department for comment.

— Emma Newburger

[Karl Henning]

These people should be disbarred. You practise law, you vow to uphold the law.

Yes. Accountability is even for lawyers.

[MusicTurner]

Interesting events.

There is increased attention to what extent that the march and intrusion into the Capitol was pre-meditated, and how much #45 and members of his entourage and allies were aware and part of it.

At least some of the protagonists seem to have planned to take hostages, and Pence, who had fled, was threatened with mob shouts of lynching him. There were many people with military and militia background in the mob, at least one of the first of them brought a number of handcuff strips, and found weapon deposits in the area included guns, napalm, knives and primitive bombs. Some of the participants seem to have had a clear plan for their moves, also inside the building, and they sought up specific offices and assembly rooms.

It is generally considered fortunate, that the exhibited boxes with the recent votes were saved, in the last moments.

One wonders however, why the assault stopped, and what would have happened, if such plans had been carried through. But the congress members had succeeded in fleeing.

Oncoming FBI investigations, depending on its later mandate, are likely to take a year or more, but some leads that have already been drawn attention to by journalists, besides the identifying and pro-#45 backgrounds of many of the protagonists, are:

- Analyzing #45's speech, he seems to have further knowledge on the march he promotes, and expectations of the participation of militants, possibly even military and police forces, and the use of some kind of force besides just demonstrating, etc. His wordings are militant, and go beyond traditional political discourse, in violent imagery.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1347908845281095680

((Abramson however suggests that #45 decided not to join the march in the last moments. Others have suggested that advisers talked him from it. Back in the Mueller report days, Abramson also thought that the report would be more categorically critical and immediately damaging to #45, than it was the case, when it was being worked upon and released))

- the course of events suggests some ongoing communication between the protagonists and #45 entourage.
Including: 1. Trump knows Pence will uphold his constitutional duties, but Trump does not tell crowd; 2. Trump says: Let's see what Pence does; 3. After mob enters Capitol, Trump tweets that Pence has betrayed him and them.

- this may be the self-promoting (as he sees it) exaggerations of an extremist, but one of the more important pro#45 figures, Ali Alexander or Ali Akbar, has briefly mentioned himself suggesting and planning the march together with three GOP senators since December - there is other evidence, that this could be true. The senators this person names are Brooks, Biggs and Gosar.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jason_paladino/status/1347602470365765639
https://mobile.twitter.com/jason_paladino/status/1347647000922230784
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1347893614832209920
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1347892264077561861

- GOP members seem divided, but a lot of them want to downplay or delay any legal proceedings, regarding the 25th amendment or an impeachment. Colin Powell has suggested that #45 just realizes, that he must resign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-senoBaqyE

- Finally, there's the option of #45 trying to pardon himself, besides his family and allies. Nobody should feel surprised, if that will unfold.

[BasilValentine]

- this may be the self-promoting (as he sees it) exaggerations of an extremist, but one of the more important pro#45 figures, Ali Alexander or Ali Akbar, has briefly mentioned himself suggesting and planning the march together with three GOP senators since December - there is other evidence, that this could be true. The senators this person names are Brooks, Biggs and Gosar.

Brooks was part of the insurrection incitement, occupying a podium next to Trump's and Giuliani's at the pre-insurrection pep rally. Giuliani, who called for "trial by combat" during this event, was clearly advocating violence and should be charged with inciting insurrection.

[Herman]

There is really not a ghost of a chance that Trump would have marched along with the crazies to the Capitol.

Did you see a golf cart parked near the podium? I don't think so.

It would have been too dangerous. Imagine a hundred drunken guys asking how Stormy Daniels really is in the sack...

He hates these people, and just uses them as ATM for his grifting, and as cannon fodder for his ghoulish power fantasies.

[MusicTurner]

There is really not a ghost of a chance that Trump would have marched along with the crazies to the Capitol.

Did you see a golf cart parked near the podium? I don't think so.

It would have been too dangerous. Imagine a hundred drunken guys asking how Stormy Daniels really is in the sack...

He hates these people, and just uses them as ATM for his grifting, and as cannon fodder for his ghoulish power fantasies.

You have a point. In the speech however he did say "Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy," "And after this, we're going to walk down — and I'll be there with you — we're going to walk down ... to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women.", as though he would.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-promised-join-capitol-march-but-slipped-away-by-car-2021-1?r=US&IR=T (incl. video clip)