Started by Mirror Image, November 22, 2020, 01:35:59 PM
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Quote from: SimonNZ on November 23, 2020, 05:10:56 PMCan a longer serving member than me say if there was a problem with political threads before 2015?
Quote from: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 12:38:40 AMSomeone asked whether there were conflicts before the 2015 political threads turned up.Yes, vociferous ones. On the old site we went through a long phase of great acrimony about religion. I used to refer to them as the Religious Wars. One ex-member, Pink Harp, used to introduce controversial subjects, one was whether prostitution should be legalised. And there was a lot of conflict on music topics, Pelleas and Melisande anybody? The worst that I recall was an extended firefight about Haydn chamber music. Saul, that name will make a few here shudder. He could have caused a fight in an empty topic, musical, political, religious, ethnic. I could go on. Where people of strongly held opinions come together there are often outbursts. We have been through some swings and roundabouts of moderation starting with basically next to no censorship and the mods spending what felt like most of our spare time writing behind the scenes to try and persuade a few troublemakers to change the wording in their posts: to clamping down too much. The latter caused a general turpitude, the site was becalmed, dull frankly.I don't like the politics thread, but the forum needs somewhere that people can let off steam somewhat. I think that is important and it tends to take pressure off the music threads. As has been said, it is simple to avoid threads you are not interested in. I can't stand the rash of one, two or three word topics, but as they don't seem to cause trouble, I ignore them. Rob suggests new people be prevented from posting in the Diner, but that damages the possibility of new people bonding. Someone has suggested we hive-off politics. Well, what is really meant here is American Politics. The Brexit topic has not needed much moderation. The world is full of politics and we have members from large swathes of it. So the problem thread is US politics. I am not keen on a Restricted Area, like a club within a club. I think we learn how to cope with ups and downs with each other, continue to more closely moderate that topic and I recommend we permanently ban any member who over an extended period posts more or less exclusively in the US politics thread. The rules of that thread are clear and we don't get into discussions with people, material will be deleted. Someone suggested that was pointless. I disagree, material is deleted and many posters remain unaware that there had been a problem or action taken. It also means those possibly personal insults are not there to be subsequently read by, for example, new members. Knight
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 23, 2020, 08:22:36 PMI would just like to thank Rob, the moderators and the members who have responded to this thread. I certainly can understand both arguments regardless of whether one is 'right' or 'wrong'. As several members have pointed out, I'm hoping all of this will blow over. Of course, the votes speak for themselves with the majority of members here not being too concerned about the political threads and voting not to ban them. I left this poll open for a year (or less), but I think by the end of the month, I'll lock the voting as I think by that point everyone who is a frequent contributor here will have been able to vote.
Quote from: Herman on November 24, 2020, 09:46:24 AM[snip]....Of course the funny thing is some of the most heated posters aren't even 'Mericans.
Quote from: Herman on November 24, 2020, 09:46:24 AMOf course the funny thing is some of the most heated posters aren't even 'Mericans.
Quote from: MusicTurner on November 24, 2020, 10:35:55 AMOne newspaper commentator in my country noticed the incredible fact, that more or less the whole world has been fixated on - and influenced by - the moods and psychology of a single individual on a daily basis, for almost 4 years.
Quote from: Florestan on November 24, 2020, 11:25:32 AMI've made this very point a few months ago on the old political thread, adding that it's abnormal that people, especially non-Americans, obsessively fixate day in, day out on what Trump does says and twitters, to the point of losing their sleep and peace of mind. I was rebuked for not caring about the fate of the world or for underestimating / downplaying Trump's capacity of negatively impacting it --- as if incessant handwringing and complaining on an inconsequential internet board were going to change either Trump's behavior or the fate of the world.Anyway, I too think that after January 20 the whole kerfuffle will gradually subside, both in the world at large and here.
Quote from: Scion7 on November 25, 2020, 04:45:37 AMThis is all I have to say on this matter:Right! Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony!You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!I mean, if I went 'round, saying I was an emperor, because some moistened bimp had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away! https://www.republic.org.uk/what_we_want
Quote from: Scion7 on November 25, 2020, 04:45:37 AMSupreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on November 25, 2020, 08:48:23 AMOne of my favorite all-time movie scenes. "I didn't know you were called Dennis..." Anyway, yes, mandate from the masses!
Quote from: Florestan on November 25, 2020, 09:15:34 AMDon't know where this quote is taken from but it sounds like Mein Kampf to me.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on November 25, 2020, 09:38:38 AMTry Monty Python and the Holy Grail. It's an easier listen, and almost as funny.
Quote from: MN Dave on November 25, 2020, 12:23:49 PMCertain members should be banned, but never politics. Religion definitely though.
Quote from: Florestan on November 25, 2020, 12:35:49 PMCan you please show me one single thread dealing with religion that was started by someone self-identified as theist or agnostic?
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