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african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« on: November 25, 2020, 01:11:16 AM »
Common dudes I want to know, I f i Dig Cecil Tailorr and Arthur Doyle strangee universe what is up my alley, I am looking for good stufff raw ege piano jazz, oor Arthur Doyles psychedelic Jazz yep...

Help me develope my liking for Jazz but I am like a blind man crossing street here in Old  Jazz,  and my Jazz need to be black, african-american ,, I want oodd bballs Jazzman Erkell , nerds bizzaroo biizzaro outsiders strange wanderering fellows whit good music..  ;D
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2020, 01:31:29 PM »
Some favorites of mine: Gil Scott Heron



Kamau Daaood (spoken word)



Also, there is a lot of great stuff from these guys:

Horace Tapscott solo piano improvisations
Sun Ra: especially Space is the Place, and pretty much anything else
Pharoah Sanders: especially Karma
Rufus Harley
Sonny Sharrock
Archie Shepp
Albert Ayler





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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2020, 01:32:33 PM »
Does this mean I can start a brutal death metal thread?  :laugh:
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2020, 01:36:29 PM »
No.  :P
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2020, 03:40:55 PM »
Quote from: André Le Nôtre on November 25, 2020, 01:31:29 PM
Some favorites of mine: Gil Scott Heron



Kamau Daaood (spoken word)



Also, there is a lot of great stuff from these guys:

Horace Tapscott solo piano improvisations
Sun Ra: especially Space is the Place, and pretty much anything else
Pharoah Sanders: especially Karma
Rufus Harley
Sonny Sharrock
Archie Shepp
Albert Ayler

Good stuff, but the OP's posted this inquiry before. My impression is that he's looking for really ultra-far out skronkfest material and the artists you mentioned are too tame. I don't have any suggestions...for example, what pianists are more Out than Cecil Taylor?
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2020, 03:53:39 PM »
hmmm, well I don't know then. If Sun Ra's Space is The Place and Pharoah Sanders' The Creator Has A Master Plan are too tame, then I'm at a loss. To me even Cecil Taylor (who I also like a great deal) sounds more conventional/tame than that stuff.

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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2020, 08:35:15 AM »
Quote from: MN Dave on November 25, 2020, 01:32:33 PM
Does this mean I can start a brutal death metal thread?  :laugh:

I found some great brutal death metal on archive.org recently - Vögel from Iceland are my favourite of them. >:D
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2020, 08:39:23 AM »
For far out, experimental jazz type noise try the free 9 CD download Clinical Jazz.
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2020, 12:57:40 PM »
A couple recommendations:





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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2020, 01:16:50 PM »
Brötzmann might very well fit the bill, apart from the "African-American" stip.  ;)
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2020, 12:54:52 AM »
It's actually Hamid Drake who is the star of that disk to me, but all in all there's no point separating jazz music into ethic groups.

I found Thurston Moore's list of free jazz favourites very useful when I first encountered it. It really has some of the wildest stuff on it. Check it out, if you haven't seen it before: https://rootstrata.com/rootblog/?p=1801
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2020, 01:15:38 AM »
Quote from: Artem on November 27, 2020, 12:54:52 AM
... but all in all there's no point separating jazz music into ethic groups.

Oh, I know several black Jazz critics/writers who would take you to pound for that one!
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2020, 01:49:32 AM »
Oh, absolutely. But, I'm simply suggesting not to limit the discovery of music to one country.
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Re: african-american brutal no compromise jazz not for wimps or faint at hearted?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2020, 06:46:30 PM »
Well, again leaving aside the "African American" part, here are three to try:

   
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2021, 09:29:37 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZSw73DLq-0&ab_channel=Ygreeq
Of course, there's Naked City which is composed of jazz musicians as Bill Frissell on guitar, Wayne Horvath on keyboards and Joey Barron on drums.  John Zorn plays sax, Fred Frith plays bass and Yamatake Eye does all the shrieking.  There are no African-Americans involved here that I know of but it would certainly be interesting if there was.
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