Is there God?

Started by Florestan, April 23, 2021, 12:01:10 PM

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Is there God?

Absolutely not
10 (20%)
Probably not
10 (20%)
I don't know / I don't care
12 (24%)
Probably yes
3 (6%)
Absolutely yes
10 (20%)
I don't know but I do care
5 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 45

steve ridgway

Quote from: vandermolen on May 10, 2021, 01:22:01 AM
If anything, I see myself more at home, philosophically, with Taoism than with any organised religion.

Maybe I should look again at Taoism. I'm perhaps most influenced by disorganised Buddhism, Krishnamurti and maybe nature spirits but want to enjoy the world rather than escape from it.

Karl Henning

Quote from: steve ridgway on May 10, 2021, 06:45:18 AM
... but want to enjoy the world rather than escape from it.

Aye.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

greg

I chose:
I don't know but I do care

which surprisingly only 2 others selected.

No one knows, belief is not knowledge.
And it does matter, if God exists they can do anything they want to you, such as eternal torture. Unless people say they don't care in the sense of not caring to put in the effort to think about whether God exists or not, then that would be totally understandable.
Wagie wagie get back in the cagie

steve ridgway

I think I voted for the original I don't know before it got split into two so am wrongly counted as not caring.

DavidW

Quote from: steve ridgway on May 16, 2021, 10:19:14 PM
I think I voted for the original I don't know before it got split into two so am wrongly counted as not caring.

I don't understand why agnosticism is lumped in with apathy.

Karl Henning

Quote from: DavidW on May 17, 2021, 08:48:10 AM
I don't understand why agnosticism is lumped in with apathy.

Indeed. After all, the agnostic Vaughan Williams did excellent work refreshing the English Hymnal.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Old San Antone

Quote from: DavidW on May 17, 2021, 08:48:10 AM
I don't understand why agnosticism is lumped in with apathy.

That was my vote: I don' know / I don't care - but I didn't think it was apathy as much as indifference over speculative questions with no answers.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Old San Antone on May 17, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
That was my vote: I don' know / I don't care - but I didn't think it was apathy as much as indifference over speculative questions with no answers.

Ecellent point.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: Old San Antone on May 17, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
That was my vote: I don' know / I don't care - but I didn't think it was apathy as much as indifference over speculative questions with no answers.

I see your point --- but if mankind had been indifferent over "speculative questions with no answers" we'd have had no art, philosophy or science.  ;)
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

Mandryka

Quote from: Old San Antone on May 17, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
That was my vote: I don' know / I don't care - but I didn't think it was apathy as much as indifference over speculative questions with no answers.

It is NOT a question with no answer. It is an empirical question with an answer -- like the question "Are there fairies?" or "Are there unicorns?" And like those questions we can say with some confidence what the answer is.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

prémont

Quote from: Mandryka on May 18, 2021, 01:24:36 AM
It is NOT a question with no answer. It is an empirical question with an answer -- like the question "Are there fairies?" or "Are there unicorns?" And like those questions we can say with some confidence what the answer is.

Excellent point.
Reality trumps our fantasy far beyond imagination.

steve ridgway

Quote from: Mandryka on May 18, 2021, 01:24:36 AM
It is NOT a question with no answer. It is an empirical question with an answer -- like the question "Are there fairies?" or "Are there unicorns?" And like those questions we can say with some confidence what the answer is.

I'm working the other way round. What general properties can I identify in the universe and my experience, and can I form any personally convincing spirituality from these?

Old San Antone

Quote from: Mandryka on May 18, 2021, 01:24:36 AM
It is NOT a question with no answer. It is an empirical question with an answer -- like the question "Are there fairies?" or "Are there unicorns?" And like those questions we can say with some confidence what the answer is.

Well, it really has has two answers, and I am indifferent to the debate.