Would like to get into J.S Bach more But output huge were to start?

Started by Carlo Gesualdo, April 25, 2021, 04:41:19 PM

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Carlo Gesualdo

I like the Motets, the Toccata & Fugue, the organ work, but want to hear obscure Bach music like relentless energic organ work, not  stuff we hear all the time on radio, obscure Bach?

Any idea were to start my Journey?

André Le Nôtre

Don't try to do it all at once. An excellent starting point, especially since you mention organ, is this set by Marie-Claire Alain. This is overall my favorite complete set (including many obscure and great pieces):



https://www.amazon.com/Bach-Complete-Organ-Marie-Claire-Alain/dp/B004RUF022


Mandryka

Quote from: deprofundis on April 25, 2021, 04:41:19 PM
I like the Motets, the Toccata & Fugue, the organ work, but want to hear obscure Bach music like relentless energic organ work, not  stuff we hear all the time on radio, obscure Bach?

Any idea were to start my Journey?

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DaveF

Not exactly obscure, but the sonatas for violin and obbligato harpsichord (BWV 1014-9) aren't as well-known as they should be, and are wonderful pieces.
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Quote from: DaveF on April 27, 2021, 07:28:26 AM
Not exactly obscure, but the sonatas for violin and obbligato harpsichord (BWV 1014-9) aren't as well-known as they should be, and are wonderful pieces.

Bach's chamber music in general isn't as well known as it should imho.  0:)

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Quote from: DaveF on April 27, 2021, 07:28:26 AM
Not exactly obscure, but the sonatas for violin and obbligato harpsichord (BWV 1014-9) aren't as well-known as they should be, and are wonderful pieces.

Agreed but the request was for obscure music which is relentless and energic. Bach x Death Metal.
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prémont

Quote from: Mandryka on April 27, 2021, 01:42:40 PM
Agreed but the request was for obscure music which is relentless and energic. Bach x Death Metal.

Would be Koopman's Bach organ integral.
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André Le Nôtre

Quote from: (: premont :) on April 28, 2021, 02:13:38 AM
Would be Koopman's Bach organ integral.

Can you link to the exact box--did he record more than once? I am looking for my next J.S. Bach organ set. Is this your favorite overall?

prémont

Quote from: André Le Nôtre on April 28, 2021, 08:11:25 PM
Can you link to the exact box--did he record more than once? I am looking for my next J.S. Bach organ set. Is this your favorite overall?

Koopman's Bach organ recordings:

Three CDs for DG Archive (early 1980es) containing triosonatas, toccatas and a few chorale free works, latest rerelease part of this box, which contains many other interesting recordings:

https://www.amazon.de/Ton-Koopman-Cembalowerke-Kammermusik-Motetten/dp/B01N5Q5BGB/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=koopman+bach&qid=1619702762&s=music&sr=1-5

Six CDs for Novalis (late 1980es-early 1990es) later rereleased by Brilliant may be OOP but still available second hand:

https://www.amazon.de/Bach-Organ-Works-6-CD-Various/dp/B000059RHV/ref=sr_1_201?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=koopman+bach&qid=1619703865&s=music&sr=1-201

And the "complete" integral made for Teldec in the 1990es and part of the big Teldec Bach 2000 box, but later rereleased separately:

https://www.amazon.de/Organ-Works-Complete-Ton-Koopman/dp/B001R3YJS8/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=koopman+bach&qid=1619703343&s=music&sr=1-3

Of these the incomplete Novalis/Briliant set is IMO the most succesful. However Koopman's recordings are not my overall favorites. He may be impressive particularly in the chorales, but in the chorale free works he is (even if energetic) too often relentless and hectic, an approach which detracts from the greatness of the works,

More info about the recordings can be found here;

https://www.discogs.com/artist/836665-Ton-Koopman?page=1
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André Le Nôtre

Thank you Premont. An interesting listening project for summer!

Uhor

Start with his works for chalumeau, which amount to a total of 0.