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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #80 on: October 01, 2021, 05:56:41 AM »
Sounds like you have already lived quite an interesting and varied life!  Good for you!

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Thank you! I like the "already" part, as if I was still at least kind of young... at this point I look to composers like Havergal Brian for inspiration, or maybe even Holmboe... composers who wrote some of their most important works after the age of 70 or even 80!

Of course, both were accomplished composers by the time they reached their Indian summer years, while I'm just a novice starting out. I have a lot of "catching up" to do!
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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #81 on: October 01, 2021, 06:06:01 AM »
Minna Keal had a similar career trajectory, writing no or very little music between her student years and retirement age. There are now at least two CDs devoted to her music although a comprehensive evaluation of it is needed.

There are others who were able to continue writing music in complete obscurity or with no chances of performance, which we generally only find out about when an occasional recording does emerge (e.g. Erika Fox, Derek Bourgeois), but not very many, and it would take a very specific kind of person to be able to do that. Music-making is a social act, not something that can usually be done in solitude.

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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #82 on: October 01, 2021, 09:18:16 AM »
Go for it CG!  You never know unless you try.   :)

I really need to! Writing music is one of the things that brought me the most joy in life. And life is too short not to do the things that bring you joy!

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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #83 on: October 01, 2021, 09:23:00 AM »
Minna Keal had a similar career trajectory, writing no or very little music between her student years and retirement age. There are now at least two CDs devoted to her music although a comprehensive evaluation of it is needed.

There are others who were able to continue writing music in complete obscurity or with no chances of performance, which we generally only find out about when an occasional recording does emerge (e.g. Erika Fox, Derek Bourgeois), but not very many, and it would take a very specific kind of person to be able to do that. Music-making is a social act, not something that can usually be done in solitude.

Just read up on Minna Keal - what a life she led! Listening to her Cello Concerto now, and it's very impressive, a very moving work. I'm so glad she found her way back to music late in life.

I know of Derek Bourgeois, too - he wrote over 100 symphonies after age 60, an amazing feat all its own!
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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #84 on: October 01, 2021, 01:07:37 PM »
I really need to! Writing music is one of the things that brought me the most joy in life. And life is too short not to do the things that bring you joy!

Fact: Cookie Monster and I have never been seen in the same place at the same time. Make of that what you will...  ;D
And, yes, do do the things that bring you joy!  :)

So, you work for Sesame Street?!  Cool!   ;) ;D

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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #85 on: October 03, 2021, 04:01:51 AM »
My final thoughts (I think) on adding the double basses. Few changes of any note, mostly to have the basses play, in unison with the cellos, for slightly longer at several appearances, to cushion the effect of going suddenly into the lower octave.

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nWze-vKsqT0f79mkEr5TBqBXlB8j3Ubr/view?usp=sharing

Score:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xrBF1w5bINjhUbwiT3gEeXJuDl2J6A8j/view?usp=sharing
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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2021, 09:29:06 AM »
Just a brief update... thus far I've heard nothing from the Australian conductor and think it's probably safe to assume that he's not interested (although Karl would be a better judge of that than I)... but in the meantime I got curious to hear how the piece might sound as played by a full string orchestra, especially now that I've added the double basses in certain passages. I quickly realized that full strings works well in some places, but in other places chamber strings is really the better size of ensemble for the material. So I hit on the idea of using a reduced ensemble (3-3-2-2-2) in those places where it felt appropriate, with full tutti (or soloists,as before) elsewhere. I'm not certain what the default string orchestra size is in NotePerformer, and I suspect the contrast would be easier to hear in actual performance, but despite the limitations of a MIDI rendering, I think in most places it is possible to hear the difference. If anyone is still interested in this, that is...

(In the score the notation I used for chamber strings was "corde da camera" on the first occurrence, at letter C, and thenceforth simply "camera". Not sure if that's correct Italian; it's straight from an online translator.)

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/13FUWv6_73cndnh9I--dOqH553Q9ndWbP/view?usp=sharing

Score (the version used for the rendering, NOT intended for performers):
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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #87 on: October 22, 2021, 09:52:45 AM »
For the firsts and seconds, I'd mark it three players. for the va & vc one desk, for the cb, two players
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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #88 on: October 22, 2021, 10:10:15 AM »
For the firsts and seconds, I'd mark it three players. for the va & vc one desk, for the cb, two players

In other words, 3-3-1-1-2 instead of 3-3-2-2-2? Why, exactly?

To be sure, I intended to leave the exact size of the chamber ensemble to the performers... 3-3-2-2-2 is just what I used (via MIDI messages to NP) for this rendering.

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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2021, 10:41:52 AM »
In other words, 3-3-1-1-2 instead of 3-3-2-2-2? Why, exactly?

To be sure, I intended to leave the exact size of the chamber ensemble to the performers... 3-3-2-2-2 is just what I used (via MIDI messages to NP) for this rendering.

No, string players other than double-basses (because of the instrument's size, play two to a stand. one desk will therefore mean two violinists, violists or cellists.
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Re: Sinfonia Solenne for Chamber String Orchestra
« Reply #90 on: October 22, 2021, 01:02:47 PM »
No, string players other than double-basses (because of the instrument's size, play two to a stand. one desk will therefore mean two violinists, violists or cellists.

Ah, gotcha.