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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2017, 09:38:43 AM »
the canon in the march of No. 28 in A, Op. 101 (it's hard to believe someone could write counterpoint this clumsy on purpose but apparently Beethoven spent ages sketching it...)

Trying to remain calm....

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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2017, 07:01:14 AM »
Fun! I'll play.

And just to emphasize that there are no actual dislikes here, my tiers are named after Greek mountains taller than 2200 meters. So, in order of height:

Olympus

101
106
109
110
111


Parnassus

13
26
28
53


Taygetus

22
31/2
57
81a


Kyllene

10/3
27/2
90


Erymanthus

2/1
2/2
2/3
7
10/1
10/2
14/1
14/2
27/1
31/1
31/3
49/1
49/2
54
78
79
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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2017, 06:02:10 AM »
In the last few years I've been "stuck" (as in obsessed with, can't get over etc) the final trilogy.

My fave LvB piano sonatas moments:

Appasionata: coda to first movement.
Opus 101: Fugue in final moment. The Gilels live performance of this on youtube is sublime.
Opus 109: Final variation in 3rd movement -- my fave LvB moment of all time.
Opus 110: The two sections marked Arioso Dolente.

I'm really reluctant to say anything bad about any LvB sonatas cause they could collectively present an embarrassment of riches situation. And honestly I haven't listened attentively enough to dare make such judgments.  8)

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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2017, 08:21:25 PM »
They're almost all fine for as many reasons as there are sonatas, but I personally find the Hammerklavier sonata especially odious... just a personal tic, lol.
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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2017, 10:02:57 PM »
They're almost all fine for as many reasons as there are sonatas, but I personally find the Hammerklavier sonata especially odious... just a personal tic, lol.

My 'first' Hammerklavier was Barenboim, DG, and I fear that this particular listening experience ruined my opinion about the piece for quite some time.

Now I'm more relaxed about... well, about almost anything, and I can enjoy the piece, as long as the slow movement is treated with LIFE.

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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2017, 11:32:02 AM »
I would say that Waldstein is my favourite.

Two highlights of the cycle for me:

No. 29 "Hammerklavier", III. adagio sostenuto
No. 30 in E major, III. Theme and variations

Possibly too much great music elsewhere in the cycle to list here. And also a lot of music in there that needs revisiting!

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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2017, 12:08:21 PM »
Andras Schiff has declared the final movement of #30 as his favorite LvB sonata movement.

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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2017, 12:44:54 PM »
op. 109 is my favorite as well, not only the last movement.
This might be heresy but of the last 4 op.111 is the one I favor least nowadays.
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
(Bob Dylan)

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Re: Beethoven Piano Sonatas: Favorites and least favorites
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2021, 07:51:41 AM »
Top: 106, 109, 110, 111, 101, 81a, 31/2, 10/3

almost Top: 28, 2/3, 31/3, 53, 57, 10/1, 13, 14/2

Middle: 2/1, 2/2, 7, 10/2, 78, 79, 14/1, 27/2, 90

Bottom: op.49,1+2, 22, 26, 27/1, 31/1, 54

some of them are hard to rate for me. I love the variations in op.26 but don't care for the rest. I also like the first movement of op.31/1. I like the first movement of op.14/2 far more than the rest of this piece.

After having listened to some Beethoven in the last few weeks (among other things I listened to the sonatas with Lucchesini not for the first time, but for the first time to the whole box in a short period of time, before that to most of my recording with R. Serkin, Gelber and others), I also came up with the idea of a rough ranking. I had forgotten I had participated in this thread, so I did this without looking it or any similar old rankings up.
 
For some reason I used 5 tiers, reducing from 6, so in III a lot is packed together.
Not too many changes. Of the bottom 7, op.26 was raised and op.2/1 fell down. Of the top 10 op.10/3 fell into the middle and op.90 and 2/3 were raised up. Although it is not clearly reflected in the ranking, I appreciate op.49/1 more than I did. Obviously both are rather slight works but the g minor is a little gem and the G major rather trite. I think I do like op.26 a bit more than I used to (I was of the opinion that Beethoven should have written a few more variations and published the variations separately and throw the remaining movements away...) I even like op.22 a bit more than I used to but it's still fairly low; the brilliant first movement of op.31/1 cannot save the rest. Op.54 is still the mature Beethoven piece I like the least and don't understand at all.

I: 109, 106, 111, 110, 101

II: 81a, 28, 31/2, 31/3, 90, 2/3

III: 2/2, 10/1-3, 13, 14/1+2, 53, 57, 7, 26, 27/2, 78, 79

IV 22, 31/1, 2/1, 27/1, 49/1

V: 54, 49/2




Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
(Bob Dylan)