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Music with Rhythm
« on: September 13, 2021, 03:59:19 PM »
Any nice orchestral works with strong rhythm/beat?

Do you think rhythmic variation and expression is very important for Classical music compositions just as it is in Jazz and Latin music?

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2021, 04:00:58 PM »
No and no.

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2021, 04:01:33 PM »
Ifukube’s Ritmica Ostinata immediately comes to mind here. As a former percussionist in school band, I think rhythm is quite important in all music not just classical.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2021, 04:02:09 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2021, 04:03:03 PM »
No and no.

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Ifukube’s Ritmica Ostinata immediately comes to mind here. As a former percussionist in school band, I think rhythm is quite important in all music not just classical.

I appreciate it. I will check it out since I like him.

P.s. I love rhythmic component of William Walton’s music.
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2021, 04:49:11 PM »
Of course, we can’t overlook the rhythmical aspects of composers like Stravinsky, Bartók, Janáček, Martinů, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Ligeti et. al. Each of these composers have such a unique approach to rhythm. Gubaidulina, too, as from what I have read, her music is often based on some kind of rhythmic fragment or series of rhythms.
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2021, 07:04:13 PM »
These are masters of rhythm in my view:

Holmboe, Honegger, Hindemith, Copland, Shostakovich, Stravinsky, Bartók, Villa-Lobos. Do explore more of his music: symphonies, chamber music, piano works, other orchestral pieces.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2021, 07:09:48 PM »
An example of rhythm and rigurosity is Kabelac's Mystery of Time. A masterful passacaglia. The rhythm grows gradually, and achieves a taut tension as it progresses. Rather impressive.

Also, the four granitic Symphonic Metamorphosis by Vagn Holmboe. I rather like their titles. Very evocative.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2021, 07:14:15 PM »
Any nice orchestral works with strong rhythm/beat?

Do you think rhythmic variation and expression is very important for Classical music compositions just as it is in Jazz and Latin music?

Explore Stockhausen - e.g. Himmelfahrt and pretty well anything by Steve Reich
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2021, 04:58:28 AM »
+1 for Shosty, Holmboe and Bartok.
I will check Kabelac, Stockhausen and Reich.  :)

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2021, 05:14:36 AM »
No and no.

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2021, 05:16:08 AM »
Don't forget Ravel's Bolero. 

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2021, 05:24:47 AM »
Don't forget Ravel's Bolero.

Or really Ravel in general. He had a fascinating approach to rhythm.
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2021, 05:27:13 AM »
I suppose it’s probably a cliché to mention Falla, Villa-Lobos, Ginastera, Revueltas, Chávez or Guarnieri, but a lot of their music is no doubt rhythmically-centered.
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2021, 12:51:19 PM »
I suppose it’s probably a cliché to mention Falla, Villa-Lobos, Ginastera, Revueltas, Chávez or Guarnieri, but a lot of their music is no doubt rhythmically-centered.

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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2021, 02:08:36 PM »
Any nice orchestral works with strong rhythm/beat?

Do you think rhythmic variation and expression is very important for Classical music compositions just as it is in Jazz and Latin music?

I don't think it is hard to find classical music with "strong rhythm/beat." But I tend to find that a lot of sophisticated, relatively modern classical music is rhythmically simplistic. If I had to name a composer who is more rhythmically sophisticated than most it would be Brahms. Often there is rhythmic syncopation or other features that aren't really obvious unless you listen for them, which contribute the the ebb and flow of the music.
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2021, 04:17:57 PM »
This might not be exactly what OP meant with this thread, but John Adams has a very strong sense of rhythm in Harmonielehre however it evolves subtly.  Part of the challenge of performing the work is you have a repeating rhythmic figure that very slowly changes.  Friends in the Los Angeles Philharmonic have said his music is the hardest they've played because it demands constant focus because you get lulled in to a sense of repetition only to later realize you're lost.  The same can be said of Ravel's Bolero that is very challenging to perform, not because of the music, but because of the repetitive nature.  If you lose focus for a beat, you're lost.  Most other music have an anchor to which you can re-establish focus, such as a time signature change or a new instrument joining in or something you can rely on.  Not so easy when the music changes very, very slowly.
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