Beethoven: Last great classicist ... or first great romantic?

Started by Mark, August 26, 2007, 03:58:36 PM

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Which do YOU believe to be true?

Beethoven was the last of the great Classicists
28 (49.1%)
Beethoven was the first of the great Romantics
29 (50.9%)

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Sergeant Rock

Beethoven was the culmination of the Classical Style.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

kishnevi

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 15, 2014, 01:34:09 PM
Beethoven was the culmination of the Classical Style.

Sarge
which also happened to be the birth of the Romantic Style.

But I am pretty sure that if you asked the man himself, he would refuse to be classified as anything other than a man who wrote Music.

amw

The last great Classicist was Brahms. The first great Romantic was CPE Bach.

EigenUser

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on May 15, 2014, 01:40:00 PM
which also happened to be the birth of the Romantic Style.

But I am pretty sure that if you asked the man himself, he would refuse to be classified as anything other than a man who wrote Music.
According to Harold Schonberg's "The Lives of the Great Composers", Beethoven was really one of the first composers to see himself as an artist. I don't think that he would be happy at all that his music is used as background music often today. Who knows, though? Maybe in 150 years or so the classical radio stations will regularly play Xenakis for background music in waiting rooms. And, perhaps, most people will be accustomed to it by then. Of course, this is nothing more than pure (and doubtful ;)) speculation. As for Schonberg's writing, well, that's his view (I don't really have a 'view' on this because I don't know too much Beethoven).

Here's the passage that I found by Googling the first few words: http://books.google.com/books?id=VawrK1CRFJgC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=%22the+difference+between+beethoven+and+all+other%22&source=bl&ots=nIw9fFo_UZ&sig=RYLglzwq5j-6pwBGjPtKa__4t20&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Dp1U8edO6fgsATqvYHQDA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22the%20difference%20between%20beethoven%20and%20all%20other%22&f=false
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

jochanaan

Imagination + discipline = creativity

Florestan

"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham


Florestan

"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

jochanaan

Quote from: Ken B on May 17, 2014, 12:15:28 PM
Rightists and Leftists.
No.  Academics and market researchers.  The rest of us just love the music. ;D
Imagination + discipline = creativity