Quiz: Mystery scores

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Luke

It is...and, in passing, I note that interesting edition of the Chopin he draws on, or at least which is different from the ones I know (Maciek, you will probably know it, however), and has very interesting use of simultaneous time signatures that I don't recall elsewhere in Chopin OTTOMH.

kishnevi

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Quote from: Luke on September 27, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
It certainly is! Do you know any Lang? I think he's quite impressive, myself.

Here's another (not David Lang this time, clearly, but a composer I find very interesting)
Re 54
Is it by Takemitsu? 
At any rate the line of poetry is from Richard Barnfield. 
(This I know
Because Google told me so.)

Luke

Not Takemitsu, but clearly Japanese, and quite an important figure in the history of modern music.

listener

Luke 2:40    (Book has only 20 verses...!)
CHOPIN: Variations on Non più mesta (Rossini) for flute and guitar
"Keep your hand on the throttle and your eye on the rail as you walk through life's pathway."

Luke

Yes, you can have that, though this version, at least, is for flute and piano, and I can't find a reference to a flute and guitar version on my admittedly brief search just now... Well done, that's a tricky one gone.

amw

Hmm, I knew it was "that one Chopin piece with flute", but couldn't remember what it was on. Luckily someone got it before I embarrassed myself by asking if it was Trockne Blumen. (Which is Schubert of course.)

listener

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Quote from: listener on September 27, 2014, 03:38:25 PM
CHOPIN: Variations on Non più mesta (Rossini) for flute and guitar

There's a score published by Zimmermann with this 'arrangement'   I do have a Rampal/Veyron-Lacroix recording and should have checked the notes.  The guitar version sounds quite faithful to the original.
"Keep your hand on the throttle and your eye on the rail as you walk through life's pathway."

EigenUser

I'm pretty sure that Luke's 42 is Crumb. The only works of his that I know are Star Child, Makrokosmos, Ancient Voices of Children, and Black Angels. It obviously isn't Mikrokosmos or Black Angels, but maybe one of the other two? Or something of his that I don't know? Or someone else altogether?

24. Here's a good one, I think. Sorry -- the score is oversized so I couldn't manage to get a full page with a readable quality.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Luke on September 27, 2014, 01:22:06 PM
Here's one I had but forgot to post - that's why it has an 'old' number, 39. I'm compiling an up-to-date list at the moment, this will appear in it in the correct place! But - an extra clue - it goes well with the 'next' one, my number 40, previously posted.

EDIT - no, I'm wrong, I did put up my 39, further back than I thought. So will renumber this one 56, and put it into the list like that. Sorry!   :-[ Still, compare it to my number 40...

Was this identified? I think it is the early two-voice fugue in A minor by Chopin.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Luke

Sfz is right on the Chopin; EigenUser, you are right with:

Quote from: EigenUser on September 28, 2014, 02:37:18 AM
I'm pretty sure that Luke's 42 is Crumb

but it isn't one of the ones you mentioned. Your new one is Boulez, Notations no 2, I think.

:)

EigenUser

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My other guess is Echoes of Time and the River, after doing some research.

Quote from: Luke on September 28, 2014, 05:57:58 AM
Your new one is Boulez, Notations no 2, I think.

:)
Yup! I love the Notations. I think that they have so much personality in them. The 2nd one in its orchestral reincarnation is wild -- like a serialist Short Ride in a Fast Machine.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

ibanezmonster

Here's a few scores that even your pets will be able to identify.

Luke

Echoes of Time and the River is correct, well done!

Greg, the second one is your op 9, Hyouka, so I'm guessing the others are by you too.

But FWIW none of my pets recognised them. In fact, the two cats just walked off, the puppy tried to bite me when I made her look, and the older dog, the normally placid, gentle labrador.... well, the picture tells the story....


ibanezmonster

Correct!...

(felt like trolling a bit with these)  :D

Here's a hint on the other two- first is an obvious observation: it's an orchestral score. Third one: also orchestral, but originally sketched by a famous composer.

Hmmm, I think your pets did indeed recognize the score was mine, but we have had disagreements about musical philosophy and such in the past, so my music sort of irritates them. They think for some reason that I should write a barking concerto (or a meow concerto) and I strongly disagreed.

Luke

You know what he was saying when I took that photo?


'GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREG!'

EigenUser

Quote from: Greg on September 28, 2014, 08:59:01 AM
Correct!...

(felt like trolling a bit with these)  :D

Here's a hint on the other two- first is an obvious observation: it's an orchestral score. Third one: also orchestral, but originally sketched by a famous composer.

Hmmm, I think your pets did indeed recognize the score was mine, but we have had disagreements about musical philosophy and such in the past, so my music sort of irritates them. They think for some reason that I should write a barking concerto (or a meow concerto) and I strongly disagreed.
or...
http://www.youtube.com/v/zeoT66v4EHg
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Maciek

No one seems to have picked the Rzewskis yet?

48 Happy birthday
49 Requiem

Maciek

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 28, 2014, 04:14:37 AM
Was this identified? I think it is the early two-voice fugue in A minor by Chopin.

Whoa! Had no idea anything like that existed! :o :o :o

Maciek

Quote from: Luke on September 27, 2014, 01:49:38 PM
It is...and, in passing, I note that interesting edition of the Chopin he draws on, or at least which is different from the ones I know (Maciek, you will probably know it, however), and has very interesting use of simultaneous time signatures that I don't recall elsewhere in Chopin OTTOMH.

Well, this one is in the "Minor works" volume of the Paderewski edition, which I don't have. So I can't check against that one. I do have it as part of a "Chopin - Album per pianoforte" volume - and that seems to be taken from the Paderewski edition anyway, though I think it is re-set and slightly edited (I can see minor differences in another nocturne I checked). Anyway, in the edition I have there are no simultaneous time signatures. Another thing about Rzewski's edition: in the last bar of the fourth line (page 1) Rzewski has a whole note, whereas I have half + quarter note (tied*), and a rest.

So I'm wondering whether Rzewski's is a "real" edition, or whether perhaps he set it himself or have it set for the purpose of using in this specific piece (notice how the last bar on the second page is written in by hand, and again: it is a whole note where Chopin - in "my" edition - only had a half note, and a quarter rest, and a quarter note that starts the next phrase*).

* - Is that the correct way to put it (English or otherwise ;D)?

Maciek

Quote from: Maciek on September 29, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
Well, this one is in the "Minor works" volume of the Paderewski edition, which I don't have.

I just noticed: the fugue is also in that volume (and not collected in the "Album per pianoforte"), which explains why I wasn't aware of its existence. ;D