Quiz: Mystery scores

[lukeottevanger]

Shows you I don't know the Bernstein very well.

Not likely we've got Mussorgsky or Cui. Now let me start thinking about Borodin and Balakirev.

Finally - 1 - Martinu's 6th symphony!!!! 

Got it - at last!

Should I clarify that I think the Wolf is your no 24? Because I do... - that's 4 of that set of 7 found now, and with your Martinu deduction only 4 left of my original 22 also, (though the ones from last night are mostly still to be found).

Carry on thinking about Borodin and Balakirev. It shouldn't take you long now; this is one of its composer's more celebrated movements.

[Larry Rinkel]

Yes, one of the samples is the prelude to Wolf's rarely played Corregidor.

I'm going to say the Bernstein is the Chichester Psalms, a work I barely know and don't think I have a score for. What I took for "Tpt" threw me, but if it's "Tpl" for temple blocks, it'll work, and the rhythm, harmony, etc., are right for an LB work from that period.

Actually I have a vocal score to the CP. I must hear it again today, I know I have a CD.

23 is the Wolf. 24 is Ruth Crawford Seeger. Now you can start using my other clues....

[Larry Rinkel]

Got it - at last!

Should I clarify that I think the Wolf is your no 24? Because I do... - that's 4 of that set of 7 found now, and with your Martinu deduction only 4 left of my original 22 also, (though the ones from last night are mostly still to be found).

Carry on thinking about Borodin and Balakirev. It shouldn't take you long now; this is one of its composer's more celebrated movements.

Not Borodin's 2nd, not the Steppes, not the Balakirev Islamey if orchestrated. Don't know.

[greg]

ok, i've revealed the answers, 1, 6, 8, and 10 weren't guessed so i added my name.
so, everyone, just tell me when you want my next batch of 10 scores (g11-g20).
personally, i feel like waiting until all the other scores have been identified.

g1- Corigliano- Symphony #1 (Greg)
g2- Takemitsu- Distance (Maciek)
g3- Reich- Piano Phase (Larry)
g4- Ligeti- Viola Sonata (Edward)
g5- Adams- Phrygian Gates (Guido)
g6- Kagel- String Sextet (Greg)
g7- Prokofiev- Piano Concerto #1 (Luke)
g8- Xenakis- Jonchaies (Greg)
g9- Debussy- La Mer (Larry)
g10- Norgard- Symphony 6 (Greg)

[greg]

lo 24 looks like Babbitt and lo 25 looks like Takemitsu, but the notes don't sound like him much- if not him, probably Stravinsky

[Larry Rinkel]

ok, i've revealed the answers, 1, 6, 8, and 10 weren't guessed so i added my name.
so, everyone, just tell me when you want my next batch of 10 scores (g11-g20).
personally, i feel like waiting until all the other scores have been identified.

I think we should wait. Otherwise everything gets too confusing. And I would like to capture all the images into a file as a kind of anthology.

I have that Corigliano in hard copy, and have even heard it twice live. But frankly, if I had been you, I would have quoted a passage that's more characteristic - like the slow repeated fortissimo notes at the opening, or the Albeniz tango that comes in on the offstage piano. Accompaniment patterns like the one you provided just don't give much to focus on.

[greg]

I think we should wait. Otherwise everything gets too confusing. And I would like to capture all the images into a file as a kind of anthology.

I have that Corigliano in hard copy, and have even heard it twice live. But frankly, if I had been you, I would have quoted a passage that's more characteristic - like the slow repeated fortissimo notes at the opening, or the Albeniz tango that comes in on the offstage piano. Accompaniment patterns like the one you provided just don't give much to focus on.

i don't have the score, i just found the first page of the score online, i can see that it'd be pretty hard 

[Larry Rinkel]

i don't have the score, i just found the first page of the score online, i can see that it'd be pretty hard 

Ah. That does make a difference. 

[Maciek]

Wow! The speed at which this thread is moving along is absolutely astonishing! It's moved 5 pages ahead since I last checked in! I have to confess, though - I'm completely lost: don't which ones have been answered, how many are left to guess or where they are...

I think a good idea would be to find the ones that haven't been answered yet and put them all in one big post - so there's no need to go back and forth between pages: this would be possible because you can hotlink to attachments (show them as images hosted from the GMG site) - so there's no need to reattach the files. If you guys could list your unanswered scores, I could even make the big post myself. But right now I'm just overwhelmed with the amount of material...

(Luckily for everyone I'm too lazy to join in - otherwise I guess I could come up with 5-7 interesting ones, though the name of the poster would be too much of a clue in all the cases )

[lukeottevanger]

lo 24 looks like Babbitt and lo 25 looks like Takemitsu, but the notes don't sound like him much- if not him, probably Stravinsky

None of the above. 25 is a typical example of this composer's style - and the look of the score is also typical. 24 is a more brutal, raw piece than one would associate with Babbitt.

[lukeottevanger]

I think a good idea would be to find the ones that haven't been answered yet and put them all in one big post - so there's no need to go back and forth between pages: this would be possible because you can hotlink to attachments (show them as images hosted from the GMG site) - so there's no need to reattach the files. If you guys could list your unanswered scores, I could even make the big post myself. But right now I'm just overwhelmed with the amount of material...

Well, as far as mine go, this is the list after Larry's recent run, with the name of the solver. I've hyperlinked each number to the relevant post:

1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek)
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido)
24 - ?
25 - ?
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry)
27 - ?
28 - ?
29 - ?
30 - ?
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry)
34 - ?

I would happily do the same for Larry's, Guido's and Greg's ones (and any others I've forgotten) but it's quite nice making a list of who solved them, and I am less sure for these guys' questions than for those I set myself.

[Maciek]

Luke, your way of doing this is propably better than mine - the hyperlinks are an excellent idea!

Just to see if mine even works though - here's what I had in mind:

Luke's (unsolved) mystery scores

LO No. 13


LO No. 28


[If you guys think this is too messy, I can delete this post... Or perhaps I should expand it by including the hints...?]

[Larry Rinkel]

A lot of score pages.

No, this is fine. I just don't know how you did it. I have a few unsolved myself.

[Maciek]

I right-click on the score photo and select "copy link address" (not "copy image address" as that, I think, would only show a small version of the image). Then I write my post and paste this address in between these:

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[img][/img]
(You can type them in or get the program to type them for you by clicking above the edit window and the smileys - on the small "picture" between the small "loudspeaker" and small "Earth" images - "Insert Image". Oh, no - I was trying to put this simply but it seems incomprehensible now...)
If you post a list of the unsolved ones (just the numbers), I can do with yours the same I did with Luke's.

[lukeottevanger]

Don't worry, Maciek, that's precisely what I've spent the last hour doing! Here are hyperlinks to all previous questions (including for completeness' sake my own, though I already posted  them three posts up), plus answers and solvers where appropriate. In the next post I will try to reproduce the images of those still unanswered, unless Maciek is desperate to...

Hope this works!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Kurtag)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido)
24 - ?
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek)
28 - ?
29 - ?
30 - ?
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry)
6 - ?
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke)
8 - Piazzolla - ? - (Luke)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke)
15 - ?
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke)
17 - ?
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark)
4 - Szymanowski - 5th Symphony - (Luke)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke)

Edit - I'm going to update this post as and when the remaining questions are answered, as just now for Larry's success with my no 25 (Varese, Nocturnal)

I've copied this post into page 24, where it is closer to the action; I'll update that post instead of this from now on.

[Maciek]

Luke, this is excellent! Well done!

[Maciek]

I've just looked through all the unsolved ones and I can sincerely say I haven't got a clue. 0:)

But there are some very interesting scores there, so I'll be waiting impatiently for the correct answers...

[Guido]

I think my 17 and 18 were accidentally the same, so I removed eighteen. Thanks for the helpful list Luke!

No 10. An easy one, I think, though there may be some noses that Rinkel up at it....and if that isn't a clue, I don't know what is 

Messiaen?

[lukeottevanger]

No, but I can see your logic!

[Larry Rinkel]

Lo 25 - has all the distinctive hallmarks of the composer, so you only really need to track down the piece

I love these moments when you say to yourself, "could that possibly be - " and you take down the score from your shelf and it is!

In this case, Nocturnal by Varèse.