Quiz: Mystery scores

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Michel

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 03:09:41 AM
Of course. We could be painting pictures using a computer, for one. But as I stated earlier, this kind of mutual testing of each other's knowledge serves as an excellent way to exercise all one's awareness of musical style, history, and even typography.

How about contributing a few scores yourself, or a few guesses?

I would if I wasn't a total philistine who doesn't own scores or understand a single line of music.

Guido

#501
Sorry Maciek!

But yes Luke - that is correct! This is the piece I am very fond of, despite (or because?) of it's limitations. It's a very beautiful piece and a very valuable addition to the otherwise small number of good miniatures for cello and orchestra. (Dvorak's Waldesruhe is another gem, and the Rondo is nice, and Faure's famous elegie of course, but there really are less than one would think. I'd like to commission some when I'm older! I'm very fond of John Williams' Heartwood for cello and orchestra too).
Geologist.

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

Guido

Geologist.

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

lukeottevanger

#503
OK, it's the Bloch Suite for Viola and Piano, in a cello arrangement.

I can't believe how stupid I was:

1) I thought it might be Bloch from quite early on but
2) I have the complete Bloch Cello + Piano music, and this isn't in it, but
3) Guido expressly said when he posted the piece that it is an arrangement from a viola work

and still I didn't make the connection.  :-[

Guido

#504
Finally! See not that exciting really. But well done. I wish I had some idea about yours. I'll look through your clues again. EDIT: oh I see they're mostly solved!
Geologist.

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

lukeottevanger

OK, only one left, and they are all done. Let's pile on the clues to my no 28:

- Part of last movement of a four movement piece, itself the last of a trilogy of four movement pieces

- All three are highly descriptive, perhaps a cross between impressionism and romanticism, and fabulously orchestrated, though their purely musical value is usually seen to be lesser

- All three are very famous, though this last one slightly less so (it is also slightly harder-focused)

- The composer had dubious politics

- The second piece of the trilogy includes a famous orchestral innovation; the number 6105 is a hint

Maciek

#506
Respighi!!! (Feste Romane - Roman Festivals)

Egad! That "Roman" clue of yours was so obvious! (Slapping my forehead real hard!)

I have 5 new ones ready from my limited library but I'm thinking of leaving them for the evening when Larry is also around...?

lukeottevanger



CORRECT!!!

To be precise, this is the imitation of a barrel-organ in the La Befana (Christmas in the Piazza Navona) movement - wonderfully achieved I think

All done!!

lukeottevanger

THE COMPLETED LIST!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke)

30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke)

Maciek

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:28:21 AM


CORRECT!!!

If not for the satisfaction, it was worth it for that wonderful prize. ;D

Larry Rinkel

#510
Quote from: Maciek
If not for the satisfaction, it was worth it for that wonderful prize. ;D

What amazes me is that, while some of those pieces are ones I've heard several times (Respighi, Adams), if a page is taken out of context and I can't place it, I'm completely lost. But no excuses! On the whole, I guessed my fair share.

Don't think this is over, however. When I get home tonight, count on another dozen or so from me - and some of them harder yet!  >:D

And now for the statistics. Out of 111 actual pieces, the following number of correct guesses were made by:

Luke - 44
Moi - 27
Mark, Maciek - 15 each
Guido - 4
Edward, Novitiate - 3 each
Karl - 2
CS, Greg, and the late M Forever - 1 each (not counting 4 "reveals" from Greg).

Luke wins the grand prize - a link to the official Havergal Brian Website!
Keep up the good work, guys!  :D

lukeottevanger

I accept that link with gratitude (though I already had it)

[po-faced mode on] I don't want to think of this as a contest, mind you - not given the number of variables. For instance, Larry set more questions than anyone else, and so was excluded from answering more than anyone else. And of course, the nature of the forum mitigates against serious competition - we are all on at different times, and so will see questions appear at different times. I know that I would have got Sean's first 7 instantly, having played all of them many times; Larry's first 6 too - but I was in France and missed the first few pages of the thread; likewise, Larry (I think) missed my giveaway clues last night, and Guido's this morning. Even things like connection speed have to be taken into consideration - there were two or three which I answered only to find that someone else beat me to it by seconds, my sluggish dial-up being partly to blame, perhaps! [/po-faced mode on]

My point being - for me, the fun is in the chase, not in competing.

Therefore, I too will be preparing some harder ones tonight, time permitting.  ;D

karlhenning

Well done, lads!

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 05:38:54 AM
My point being - for me, the fun is in the chase, not in competing.

Likewise :-)

lukeottevanger

Come on Karl - put up some scores. You know you want to!

greg

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:30:15 AM
THE COMPLETED LIST!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke)

30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke)

completed lists are so beautiful........
it's just so disturbing that it's physically impossible to make out with one  :'(



Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:07:25 AM
What amazes me is that, while some of those pieces are ones I've heard several times (Respighi, Adams), if a page is taken out of context and I can't place it, I'm completely lost. But no excuses! On the whole, I guessed my fair share.

Don't think this is over, however. When I get home tonight, count on another dozen or so from me - and some of them harder yet!  >:D

And now for the statistics. Out of 111 actual pieces, the following number of correct guesses were made by:

Luke - 44
Moi - 27
Mark, Maciek - 15 each
Guido - 4
Edward, Novitiate - 3 each
Karl - 2
CS, Greg, and the late M Forever - 1 each (not counting 4 "reveals" from Greg).

Luke wins the grand prize - a link to the official Havergal Brian Website!
Keep up the good work, guys!  :D
oh, you watch, when i get older and have a huge library of scores (especially modern ones) i'm going to be up there with Luke  ;)
congratulations to Luke, btw

Maciek, i've had the same problem with sound files playing too fast before- it was when i was using a player from this one website to play music on my myspace page. I put up my Electric Guitar performance of Paganini's 16th caprice and it played it way too fast, all of the less than 2 min. of music played in about 20 seconds, repeated in a loop. The only thing I did different with it was that I converted my sound file to mp3 using an audio program (before it was wav). But if you get something from a CD (originally WAV) rip the files to your computer (as Mp3) there was no problems with the playback. You didn't use an audio program to convert it from wav to mp3, did you?

karlhenning

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 05:58:44 AM
Come on Karl - put up some scores. You know you want to!

I might be able to see to this Saturday-ish.

greg

ok, i'm putting up 10 scores next! gimme about 20-30 minutes, though

greg

g11-14

greg

g15-16

greg

g17-18