Top 5 Non-European, Non-USA Composers

Started by Florestan, January 07, 2022, 09:55:01 AM

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Florestan

There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Mirror Image

I think you're going to need more specific here, Andrei.

Brahmsian

Eckhart-Gramatte - Canada
Villa-Lobos - Brazil
Revueltas - Mexico
Gubaiduilina - Asian part of Russia
Estacio - Canada

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#3
Alright, since Ray chimed in, I think I have a better understanding of what is meant by non-European (incl. Russians), so here are my picks:

Villa-Lobos (Brazil)
Ginastera (Argentina)
Revueltas (Mexico)
Chávez (Mexico)
Takemitsu (Japan)

Florestan

Quote from: Mirror Image on January 07, 2022, 10:08:20 AM
Alright, since Ray chimed in, I think I have a better understanding of what is meant by non-European (incl. Russians), so here are my picks:

Villa-Lobos
Ginastera
Revueltas
Chávez
Takemitsu

You got the idea alright, John.
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

ritter

#5
Juan José Castro (Argentina)
Alberto Ginastera (Argentina)
Antônio Carlos Gomes (Brazil)
Heitor Villa-Lobos (Brazil)
Carlos Chávez (Mexico)


amw

Honestly, never thought about this much before. Provisional "country favourites" might include:
Alberto Ginastera (Argentina)
Liza Lim (Australia)
José Antônio de Almeida Prado (Brazil)
Chiyoko Szlavnics (Canada)
Jo Kondo (Japan)
Unsuk Chin (Korea*)
Julio Estrada (Mexico)
Denis Smalley (New Zealand)
Charles Uzor (Nigeria)
Samir Odeh-Tamimi (Palestine*)
José Maceda (Philippines)
Zeynep Gedizlioğlu (Turkey)

...but a top 5 would probably double up on Canadian composers: Ginastera, Lim, Kondo, Szlavnics and Claude Vivier. Linda Catlin Smith (also Canada) would be the next runner-up.

If you exclude the Americas altogether it becomes more interesting.

Brian

To make this deliberately harder, I'm going to count Samuel Coleridge-Taylor as European and count 100% European ancestry people in non-European countries (e.g. Mignone, Piazzolla, Ginastera, Sculthorpe) as being European as well. And I'll make my fellow Turks European.

This is not to make a statement or critique others, just to set myself an extra hard challenge and bend my brain around a bit. ;D

1. Qigang Chen
2. Agustín Barrios Mangoré (I think; biographies online are spotty, but one says Guarani was his native language rather than Spanish)
3. Carlos Chávez
4. Elena Kats-Chernin (Uzbek-Australian-Jewish)
5. Reza Vali

Additionally a number of Japanese composers have left good impressions, including Komei Abe, Toru Takemitsu, and Hiroshi Ohguri.

Borderline cases excluded to avoid controversy:
Gabriela Lena Frank (half Eastern European, half Peruvian-Chinese, but also American)
Avner Dorman (Israeli, now employed by a USA music school)
Thomas Oboe Lee (fully Chinese, longtime USA resident)

Florestan

My list

Ernesto Lecuona
Agustin Barrios
Heitor Villa-Lobos
Ernesto Nazareth
Carlos Guastavino


Honorable mentions: Juventino Rosas, Enrique Oswald, Alberto Williams
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

The new erato


Florestan

Quote from: The new erato on January 07, 2022, 12:52:45 PM
Reynaldo Hahn was born in Venezuela....

...and spent most of his life and his whole career in France. Nope, doesn't qualify, sorry.  ;D
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Symphonic Addict

Villa-Lobos
Revueltas
Ginastera
Yoshimatsu
Saygun
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The new erato

#12
Quote from: Florestan on January 07, 2022, 01:00:28 PM
...and spent most of his life and his whole career in France. Nope, doesn't qualify, sorry.  ;D

Ok, so if country of birth don"t matter, then Paul Ben-Ham.

Villa-Lobos and Ginastera as well. Carl Vine.

Would Ahmet Saygun be admissible (ie are you a fan of the Turks  ;)  )?


SimonNZ

Quote from: amw on January 07, 2022, 11:29:31 AM

Denis Smalley (New Zealand)


Interesting. I was unaware of this composer.

springrite

Gubaidulina
Takemitsu
Isang Kim
Revueltas
Tan Dun

(I also considered Sorabji, Chen Yi (and her husband Zhou Long) and Ginastera)
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

Maestro267

Alberto Ginastera (Argentina)
Heitor Villa-Lobos (Brazil)
Toru Takemitsu (Japan)
Carlos Chavez (Mexico)
Brett Dean (Australia)

Florestan

Quote from: The new erato on January 07, 2022, 10:17:48 PM
Ok, so if country of birth don"t matter, then Paul Ben-Ham.

Born and raised in Europe, fully formed there as a composer and conductor... I'd rather let you have Hahn than Ben-Haim. ;D

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Would Ahmet Saygun be admissible (ie are you a fan of the Turks  ;)  )?

I have no problem whatsoever with the Turks, why would you ask that?

And yes, Saygun is admissible, given that most of the Turkish territory lies in Asia.
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Brian

Quote from: Florestan on January 08, 2022, 05:02:44 AM
Born and raised in Europe, fully formed there as a composer and conductor... I'd rather let you have Hahn than Ben-Haim. ;D

I have no problem whatsoever with the Turks, why would you ask that?

And yes, Saygun is admissible, given that most of the Turkish territory lies in Asia.
Surely he was jokingly referring to the political debate of whether Turkey belongs in Europe. Saygun is from Izmir, which makes him officially Asian.  :)

Florestan

Quote from: Brian on January 08, 2022, 06:03:38 AM
Surely he was jokingly referring to the political debate of whether Turkey belongs in Europe.

Geographically speaking, Turkey is an Asian country, most of its territory is in fact called Asia Minor. Politically though I've never seen it refered as such; it's considered as belonging to Europe. They even tried to join the EU until a few years ago but I don't know if they still want it.

QuoteSaygun is from Izmir, which makes him officially Asian.  :)

Exactly.  :)
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

The new erato

OK, then I guess Sculthorpe would be my 5th.

I have little experience with Japanes/Korean composers.