Symphonies where the slow movement is the weakest

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vandermolen

Randall Thompson: Symphony No.2
I like this symphony very much - it has a marvellous opening movement but the slow movement is rather 'corny' (to my ears anyway) like a soundtrack to a bad western movie.
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(poco) Sforzando

I agree about Beethoven's 5th, but certainly not 6 or 9. And certainly not the Berlioz Fantastique either. I wonder what people's reasons are for these assertions.
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Jo498

I certainly prefer LvB 5,ii to his 6,ii but the "scene at the brook" is rather unique, so I while I am not too fond of it, I respect it. Not sure if I prefer it to the 6th finale or other way round.
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kyjo

Quote from: vandermolen on February 02, 2022, 02:54:30 AM
Randall Thompson: Symphony No.2
I like this symphony very much - it has a marvellous opening movement but the slow movement is rather 'corny' (to my ears anyway) like a soundtrack to a bad western movie.

I know what you mean, Jeffrey! ;D Nevertheless, I enjoy this movement quite a bit - a guilty pleasure. I agree that the superb opening movement is a hard act to follow!
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

(poco) Sforzando

Not a symphony, but I think the slow movement of Mozart's D minor piano concerto k466 is weaker than the outer movements.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Jo498

I agree, I never found the simple romance + stormy minore central section very convincing. I clearly prefer the slow movement in the c minor concerto although this is also a fairly simple serenade style movement but more colorful because more woodwinds and a bit more varied because a rondo not ABA.

And heretically, I don't like the famous middle movement of Beethoven's 4th pc that much although it is very original and a great contrast and probably could not be otherwise.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Brahmsian

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Quote from: vers la flamme on January 31, 2022, 02:39:36 AM
Do not agree with Bruckner's 4th. I love that andante.

Ditto. For me, none of Bruckner's Adagios could ever apply here.

Some examples I can think of:

Beethoven - Symphony No.8 okay, mostly because there is no slow movement.

Beethoven - Symphony No.9 - A good time to take a 12-15 minute cat nap.  ;D

Schumann - Symphony No.4

vandermolen

Quote from: kyjo on February 03, 2022, 07:26:00 PM
I know what you mean, Jeffrey! ;D Nevertheless, I enjoy this movement quite a bit - a guilty pleasure. I agree that the superb opening movement is a hard act to follow!
Hi Kyle,
Yes, like Walton's 1st Symphony (a much greater work) none of the other movements are as good as the opening movement. However, I enjoy Randall Thompson's 2nd Symphony a lot.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Iota

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on February 04, 2022, 06:36:20 AM
Not a symphony, but I think the slow movement of Mozart's D minor piano concerto k466 is weaker than the outer movements.

Yes, I agree. From the first time I heard it I felt that way. The Concerto was my thrilling gateway to Mozart's music, but I was never really engaged by the slow movement.