Chopin or Beethoven: Solo Piano Works

Started by nakulanb, February 18, 2022, 01:49:21 PM

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nakulanb

You can choose both, but whose solo piano works do you prefer and why?

I prefer Chopin because I find him to be more of the lover of the two and that resonates with me.

What about you?

nakulanb

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Any thoughts?

Symphonic Addict

I prefer Beethoven because his piano sonatas represent a supreme achievement in mankind, and that's just one reason among many more.
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nakulanb

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 18, 2022, 04:48:03 PM
I prefer Beethoven because his piano sonatas represent a supreme achievement in mankind, and that's just one reason among many more.

They are mammoth, certainly.  :)

Todd

Beethoven.  He is the master of the piano sonata form.  Whether youthful and vibrant or older and more searching, with technical flourishes and demands, and with musical satisfaction that no one matches in the format, he can't be beat.  Throw in his Bagatelles and arguably the greatest set of variations ever written, and he remains tops.  His only real peer in solo piano music to my ears is the rather different Debussy.  Chopin, great as he is, doesn't offer quite as much.  Well, maybe in his Mazurkas.
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JBS

Both because both are different. LvB and FC mostly used different forms. In fact it's in the sonata, the form both used, that I find FC to be at his weakest. But the sonata looms much bigger in LvB than FC.
So I wouldn't want to be without either.

Hollywood Beach Broadwalk

Symphonic Addict

I can live without either of Chopin's Piano Concertos. What I can't is living without any LvB's piano concertos, including the Triple Concerto. I put it in those terms.  ;)
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nakulanb

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 18, 2022, 06:23:41 PM
I can live without either of Chopin's Piano Concertos. What I can't is living without any LvB's piano concertos, including the Triple Concerto. I put it in those terms.  ;)

I can't live without Chopin's Nocturnes.  I can live without Beethoven's piano works period as blasphemous as that may sound.

JBS

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 18, 2022, 06:23:41 PM
I can live without either of Chopin's Piano Concertos. What I can't is living without any LvB's piano concertos, including the Triple Concerto. I put it in those terms.  ;)

Agree 100% with that. But what about the *solo* works.

Hollywood Beach Broadwalk

Florestan

#9
Chopin any day, night, year and season --- because his solo piano music touches, moves and stirs my soul way more than Beethoven's, a few piano sonatas of the latter notwithstanding.  8)

I couldn't care less about sonata form -- actually, to hell with it!  >:D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

nakulanb

Quote from: Florestan on February 19, 2022, 07:52:59 AM
Chopin any day, night, year and season --- because his solo piano music touches, moves and stirs my soul way more than Beethoven's, a few piano sonatas of the latter notwithstanding.  8)

I couldn't care less about sonata form -- actually, to hell with it!  >:D

My man!

:)

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Florestan

#12
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

prémont

Quote from: Florestan on February 19, 2022, 08:24:06 AM
The more, the merrier!  :-* :-* :-*

Chopin has made very fine music, but he doesn't compare to Beethoven - very few do indeed.
Reality trumps our fantasy far beyond imagination.

Florestan

#14
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 19, 2022, 09:55:50 AM
Chopin has made very fine music, but he doesn't compare to Beethoven - very few do indeed.

Well, that's exactly the notion that I deeply hate and resent  from the very bottom of my heart --- X is fine but they don't compare to Beethoven.





"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

prémont

Quote from: Florestan on February 19, 2022, 10:10:20 AM
Well, that's exactly the notion that I deeply hate and resent  from the very bottom of my heart --- X is fine but they don't compare to Beethoven.

But that does not stop me from rejoicing over several of Chopin's compositions.
Reality trumps our fantasy far beyond imagination.

Mandryka

Can we not agree that Chopin was better than Beethoven at writing mazurkas and Beethoven was better than Chopin at writing ginormous sets of variations?
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Florestan

#17
Quote from: Mandryka on February 19, 2022, 10:41:13 AM
Can we not agree that Chopin was better than Beethoven at writing mazurkas and Beethoven was better than Chopin at writing ginormous sets of variations?

I'm game, thank you.

Also, mazurkas are better then variations.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

ritter

Quote from: Florestan on February 19, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
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Also, mazurkas are better then variations.
OTOH, whenever I read the word "mazurka", I run away and never look back.... :D

Todd

Quote from: Florestan on February 19, 2022, 10:10:20 AMX is fine but they don't compare to Beethoven.


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