Europe at War

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drogulus

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    Another country has decided to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine.

    Take a guess.

    You cheated!!

    Yeah, it's Germany

    But wait, there's more!

    Another country is going to send its own tanks that even have jet engines in them.

    It's the United States.

    Oh, Poland, you devils! You did it.
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Todd

Senior Ukrainian officials ousted in corruption crackdown

Nine leaders out.  I'm sure the bad actors pilfered a few million at most.  Maybe a hundred million.  Perhaps a billion.  But that's it.  Gentle readers can rest assured this represents the totality of corruption in Ukraine.  The flood gates of aid should burst forth, inundating the land with riches.
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drogulus

    Kremlin Admits 'Putin's Chef' Might Be Assassinated Soon

     I think it's more like Kremlin "admits".

Although Prigozhin is widely reported to have pissed off many officials in Vladimir Putin's orbit with his antics in Ukraine, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said it is actually authorities in Kyiv that Prigozhin should worry about.

     I'm sure he's right. I'd still watch my back, Yevgeny. Stay away from windows.

   
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VonStupp

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k a rl h e nn i ng

Quote from: VonStupp on January 24, 2023, 02:22:27 PMMust have been really bad at making Beef Stroganoff! :D
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Florestan

Quote from: Todd on January 24, 2023, 11:33:30 AMAll sources are biased.

Finally, something we can agree upon.
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Madiel

Quote from: Florestan on January 25, 2023, 01:50:57 AMFinally, something we can agree upon.


A broken clock is correct twice a day.

I'm not sure how often a broken record manages it...
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71 dB

Quote from: Florestan on January 25, 2023, 01:50:57 AMFinally, something we can agree upon.


Having a bias doesn't mean you are wrong. If your bias is that 2 + 2 = 4 and my bias is that 2 + 2 = 3.14, we both are biased, but you are the one who is correct and I am the one who is incorrect. Someone calling you biased just makes other people think you could be just as wrong as I am. That is one of the biggest problems we have, the 50 - 50 thinking on issues that are not 50 - 50, but 100 - 0 or maybe 99 - 1. If flat Earthers (and climate change deniers/anti-vaxxers/etc.) are given the same benefit of doubt as sane people, then we can expect people be unsure of whether the Earth is flat or not. The danger of debating lunatics is that people watching the debate are given a reason to take the lunatic seriously.
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Florestan

Quote from: 71 dB on January 25, 2023, 03:05:11 AMHaving a bias doesn't mean you are wrong.

Of course not. For instance, I have an anti-Russian bias but I am not wrong in stating that in 1812 Russia annexed the Moldovan territory of Bessarabia and in 1940 they annexed it again, this time along the Romanian territory of Northern Bukovina. Todd has an anti-NATO bias but he is not wrong in stating that in 1999 NATO bombed the sovereign state of then Serbia and Montenegro into accepting the carving up of their territory.

The point is that one cannot avoid having a bias and the idea of absolute and disinterested neutrality is a myth. That's why I objected to Todd's calling the IISS "not a neutral source"; there is no such thing as a neutral source.
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71 dB

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Quote from: Florestan on January 25, 2023, 03:47:07 AMThe point is that one cannot avoid having a bias and the idea of absolute and disinterested neutrality is a myth. That's why I objected to Todd's calling the IISS "not a neutral source"; there is no such thing as a neutral source.

Neutrality is about not taking sides. So, if you express something from the perspective of all biases, you are effectively neutral, but being neutral isn't a particularly good thing! Saying the Earth could be flat, but it could just as well be a globe is neutral, but not good at all for informing/educating people about facts.

Objectivity on the other hand is about seeking for the truth whatever it happens to be. The side is chosen and it is the truth, even when it is against personal bias. Objectivity requires intellectual honesty and is "difficult."

Subjectivity is when personal bias dictates whether the chosen side is the truth or not. The truth is favoured whenever it is convenient for supporting the bias, but otherwise not. Subjectivity is easy and tempting making it common.

A person of media literacy and at least some knowledge of the World can notice when for example a news story is neutral, objective or subjective. Neutral-looking information is often subjectivity in disguise and that's the reason why pure neutrality is rare.
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Todd

I suggest people here read Bernays. 
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Todd

The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

drogulus

    The US is not sending Abrams tanks to fight. It's sending them so other tanks will be sent to fight.

    It's part of the deal with Germany.

    The US is increasing production of 155mm artillery shells by 500%. Stocks are running low so the US needs to replenish its own supply as well as send more to Ukraine.

    The US is sending 160 M777 Howitzers and over a million rounds for them as of the most recent aid package. There will be more.

     
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Todd

The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

drogulus

    Doctors are not neutral between the disease and the cure. Should I worry?
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71 dB

Quote from: drogulus on January 25, 2023, 08:02:07 AMDoctors are not neutral between the disease and the cure. Should I worry?
If doctors were neutral they would say you may have cancer or you may not and if you have cancer, any treatment might cure you or then they might not. You don't want such doctors. You want your doctor to be objective.
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drogulus


     Tanks are good at progress against entrenched opponents. They were invented for that.

   

     Trench warfare can go on for years with little progress by either side. That's not too controversial, is it? Blitzkrieg means a shorter war with fewer civilian deaths. Russia would have to negotiate with words backed by immediate action, the only negotiation that could matter.

     The Ukrainians will agree not to fire on Russians leaving the country. The Russians will agree to leave primarily by leaving. Papers will be signed, too.

     It will be up to the US to keep Russia from total collapse to the extent any outside power can. Russia may collapse itself beyond any help, something that preoccupies US planners. They want Russia to survive defeat.
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Spotted Horses

Quote from: 71 dB on January 25, 2023, 08:21:26 AMIf doctors were neutral they would say you may have cancer or you may not and if you have cancer, any treatment might cure you or then they might not. You don't want such doctors. You want your doctor to be objective.

That's not what being neutral means.
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Madiel

Quote from: Spotted Horses on January 25, 2023, 11:05:26 AMThat's not what being neutral means.

Agreed. This particular linguistic byway doesn't look like it's going to be entertaining...
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Time's Puppet of the Year speaking to the National Association of State Chambers of Commerce gathering, which was held in Boca Raton this year.  The good stuff starts at around five minutes in.  Nice to hear BlackRock, JP Morgan, and Goldman Sachs mentioned by name.  They like it too:



Zelensky is a very brave puppet.

The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya