Europe at War

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Florestan

Quote from: LKB on November 26, 2022, 04:30:43 AMWomen in power are neither more nor less venal, greedy, devious or inspiring than men. The only significant difference l can think of would be the greater possibility of a male in power underestimating his female opponent.

Hah!  ;D
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Reminds me of a great podcast episode I heard about a champion female poker player, and how part of her winning strategy was to work out what kind of men she was dealing with. Including those who didn't believe they were going to lose to a woman.
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Que

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Russian troops are starting to die from the cold in their ditches and trenches:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/26/2138419/-Winter-begins-to-take-its-toll-on-Russia-s-army-in-Ukraine

Looks like the winter will be a strong ally to Ukraine....

Harry

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 02:03:56 AMRussian troops are starting to die from the cold in their ditches and trenches:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/26/2138419/-Winter-begins-to-take-its-toll-on-Russia-s-army-in-Ukraine

Looks like the winter will a strong ally to Ukraine....

I am truly shocked, it makes me really sad, unbelievably so.
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Que

Quote from: Harry on November 27, 2022, 04:34:55 AMI am truly shocked, it makes me really sad, unbelievably so.

It is rather shocking, and daytime temperatures are still above freezing point. Tens of thousands of troops will soon be exposed to much harsher conditions.

Some predictions are that the winter will end many more Russian lives than Ukrainian bullets and shells. If so, this war could be over sooner than anyone expected.

Todd

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 04:51:15 AMSome predictions are that the winter will end many more Russian lives than Ukrainian bullets and shells. If so, this war could be over sooner than anyone expected.

The Economist predicts 100,000+ European civilian deaths due to higher energy prices this winter.  That should be more shocking and saddening.

Keep fighting.  No negotiations.
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Herman

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 04:51:15 AMIt is rather shocking, and daytime temperatures are still above freezing point. Tens of thousands of troops will soon be exposed to much harsher conditions.

Some predictions are that the winter will end many more Russian lives than Ukrainian bullets and shells. If so, this war could be over sooner than anyone expected.

Putin and the military leadership won't care. Lives are expendable.

JBS

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 04:51:15 AMIt is rather shocking, and daytime temperatures are still above freezing point. Tens of thousands of troops will soon be exposed to much harsher conditions.

Some predictions are that the winter will end many more Russian lives than Ukrainian bullets and shells. If so, this war could be over sooner than anyone expected.

So General Winter will be fighting against Russia. Another plot twist.

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drogulus

Quote from: JBS on November 27, 2022, 06:01:52 AMSo General Winter will be fighting against Russia. Another plot twist.

    Winter fought for Russia when the Russians could retreat hundreds of miles into their own territory. In Ukraine retreat more than a few miles is defeat.
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Que

Another twist... Is Russia finally running out of long range missiles?  ::)


"Russia is firing ageing cruise missiles stripped of their nuclear warheads at Ukrainian targets because Vladimir Putin's stocks are so depleted, the [British] Ministry of Defence has suggested.

An intelligence update from the British MoD on Saturday said the desperate improvisation by the Russian president's struggling forces are "unlikely to achieve reliable effects". The evidence cited is pictures of apparently shot down AS-15 Kent air-launched cruise missiles, which were said to have been designed in the 1980s as a nuclear delivery system.

The MoD said the nuclear warheads had probably been replaced with ballast, with the Kremlin's hope probably that the missiles will distract Ukrainian air defences. "Although such an inert system will still produce some damage through the missile's kinetic energy and any unspent fuel, it is unlikely to achieve reliable effects against intended targets," a statement said.

"Whatever Russia's intent, this improvisation highlights the level of depletion in Russia's stock of long-range missiles."

Todd

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 09:18:28 AMAnother twist... Is Russia finally running out of long range missiles?  ::)

Maybe, but then Russia has been running out of equipment and men and has been barely able to prosecute the war since at least March.

Keep fighting.  No negotiations.
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drogulus

    Western countries have the option of withdrawing protection of Russia from retaliation for destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure. What's necessary is for the Ukes to agree to limit their strikes to legit military targets. If they agree they will get longer range precision weapons they have been denied up to now.

     Russia can't survive for long without protection from the US restrictions on provided weaponry. I suggest that by incrementally providing one type of long range weapon, then another one and so on, Russia will realize the price for continuing the war is too high. Then we can have real negotiations, not the fantasy kind.

     Russia won't run out of missiles. They will use older, more inaccurate ones and try to conserve the better ones.
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Herman

Quote from: drogulus on November 27, 2022, 09:33:43 AMRussia can't survive for long without protection from the US restrictions on provided weaponry. I suggest that by incrementally providing one type of long range weapon, then another one and so on, Russia will realize the price for continuing the war is too high.

Or Putin will go nuclear, if all other options have run out.
He said so.

drogulus

Quote from: Herman on November 27, 2022, 11:08:11 PMOr Putin will go nuclear, if all other options have run out.
He said so.

    Why hasn't Putin gone nuclear? Is he waiting for total defeat for nukes to become an option?

    If Putin wants to commit suicide there are easier ways that don't involve the participation of the nuclear chain of command. These people are not suicidal.
   
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drogulus

    Belarus is a stressful place not only for the clowntator but also his minions.

    The foreign minister died suddenly. The diagnosis is he talked too much.

    Luka has changed his kitchen staff.
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Quote from: Florestan on November 25, 2022, 11:00:53 AMInstead of wishfully thinking that women would use great power in peaceful and non-violent ways, I wishfully think that great power be reduced to impotence, so that irrespective of the sex of any given leader, they be not able to wreak havoc even if they wanted to.
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Todd

U.S. Pledges $53 Million to Help Fix Ukraine's Electrical Grid

American officials said they hoped the commitment would spur allies to make similar donations, as many Ukrainians head into winter without power or water.


Another bottomless money pit that corrupt Ukrainians can use to pilfer millions and millions and possibly billions of dollars and euros over the coming years.  Oh, yeah, some regular Ukrainians may benefit.  But that's of secondary importance in this story.  The opening sentence is the bigger story:

Quote from: Edward Wong and Steven ErlangerOfficials of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization on Tuesday stressed their commitment to eventually allowing Ukraine to become a member of the military alliance.

This ensures that the war will drag on.  It also ensures that many more Ukrainian civilians will die.  Hopefully, for the sake of hapless Ukrainian citizens, it is public posturing meant to be negotiated away.  Fewer Ukrainian civilians would needlessly die.  But make no mistake, more Ukrainian civilians will needlessly die.

Keep fighting.  No negotiations.
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Todd

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People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

drogulus

    Poland will be the great power in eastern Europe. If the rest of Europe cheaps out on its own defense there will be a belt of protection from the Norwegian border with Russia down through the Baltic states to Poland, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Turkey.

    The US will have partners that are highly motivated and not afflicted with Franco-German peacemongery, an illusion they can't afford. This structure is a retooling of a century old idea called the Intermarium, an improvement since the original idea didn't include the Scandinavians.

    In June the US announced the permanent basing of troops in Poland and Romania.
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Todd

The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya