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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2022, 11:18:03 AM »
This video makes me a little bit worried about  Prime Minister Truss. Incredible, how could things have come to this?

https://www.facebook.com/100044229803784/videos/412781080808656/
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2022, 12:17:16 PM »
This video makes me a little bit worried about  Prime Minister Truss. Incredible, how could things have come to this?

https://www.facebook.com/100044229803784/videos/412781080808656/

Very entertaining!  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2022, 06:52:37 AM »
This video makes me a little bit worried about  Prime Minister Truss. Incredible, how could things have come to this?

https://www.facebook.com/100044229803784/videos/412781080808656/

How about this for a chain of events. Truss wins, then loses the next General Election. Tory party on their knees in desperation plead for the return of Boris. "Hasta la vista, baby".
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2022, 07:01:47 AM »
How about this for a chain of events. Truss wins, then loses the next General Election. Tory party on their knees in desperation plead for the return of Boris. "Hasta la vista, baby".

I don’t think it matters who wins the next election. They’re all as bad as each other.
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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2022, 07:04:39 AM »
I don’t think it matters who wins the next election. They’re all as bad as each other.

Fair point.
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2022, 06:07:43 AM »
Presenter collapses on live television during leader debate!

https://youtu.be/EvFVY7yqjoA
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2022, 08:38:12 PM »
They've started doing leadership?

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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2022, 09:00:45 PM »
I don’t think it matters who wins the next election. They’re all as bad as each other.

I think you said the same about Starmer vs Johnson, widening the implied spectre even further. Among other things, it's the lazy way out. But both those two current, conservative candidates surely don't appear particularly socially conscious, when looked at from Scandinavia.
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2022, 10:37:51 PM »
I think you said the same about Starmer vs Johnson, widening the implied spectre even further. Among other things, it's the lazy way out. But both those two current, conservative candidates surely don't appear particularly socially conscious, when looked at from Scandinavia.

Starmer ≈ Sunak. Or rather Starmer will adopt Sunak’s economic policies in the next election against Truss.

Starmer doesn’t appear socially conscious - look at the way he’s abandoned RMT, for example. I don’t think we could  expect better public services under Starmer than we’ll get under Truss.

I think it doesn’t matter very much who is in power, Labour or Tory.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2022, 10:49:35 PM »
I think you said the same about Starmer vs Johnson, widening the implied spectre even further. Among other things, it's the lazy way out. But both those two current, conservative candidates surely don't appear particularly socially conscious, when looked at from Scandinavia.

Nor are the current Labour leadership (socially conscious) so he has a point. A Labour front bench shadow minister was sacked yesterday for joining a picket line. He is also threatened with deselection from his constituency seat for left-leaning views.
Johnson, Rishi and Starmer share a similar political place. Truss I'm not so sure.
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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2022, 11:20:20 PM »
Nor are the current Labour leadership (socially conscious) so he has a point. A Labour front bench shadow minister was sacked yesterday for joining a picket line. He is also threatened with deselection from his constituency seat for left-leaning views.
Johnson, Rishi and Starmer share a similar political place. Truss I'm not so sure.

I didn't know the recent Sam Tarry story or the Starmer intervention against shadow ministers appearing in picket lines (apparently the strike there wasn't illegal). The Guardian has an in-depth report and BBC tells about the anger from the unions. Yet, one should focus primarily on the expressed and concrete policies of the parties in relation to the state budget and social inequality, and I think that for example the Labour Manifesto does have more of a social dimension to it than the Conservative one of laissez-faire.
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2022, 11:35:48 PM »
I didn't know the recent Sam Tarry story or the Starmer intervention against shadow ministers appearing in picket lines (apparently the strike there wasn't illegal). The Guardian has an in-depth report and BBC tells about the anger from the unions. Yet, one should focus primarily on the expressed and concrete policies of the parties in relation to the state budget and social inequality, and I think that for example the Labour Manifesto does have more of a social dimension to it than the Conservative one of laissez-faire.

That’s interesting. What do you think Labour would do that the tories wouldn’t?

The very fact that Labour is not supporting the workers in the RMT dispute must give you pause for thought vis-à-vis their social and economic policies. Labour are as monetarist as the Conservatives. Labour discourage popular participation in power, just as the tories do. Both parties are authoritarian and nationalist. Both parties curry favour with big business. Neither party is interested in improving public services, or in halting deregulation.

Of course, Labour are scared that the press will present them as favouring sectorial interests over national interests if they support the unions.
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2022, 05:35:42 AM »
I didn't know the recent Sam Tarry story or the Starmer intervention against shadow ministers appearing in picket lines (apparently the strike there wasn't illegal). The Guardian has an in-depth report and BBC tells about the anger from the unions. Yet, one should focus primarily on the expressed and concrete policies of the parties in relation to the state budget and social inequality, and I think that for example the Labour Manifesto does have more of a social dimension to it than the Conservative one of laissez-faire.

It is all a sham. Labour spread unfounded stories that Tories will sell off the beloved NHS. Johnson, who has no problem being profligate with our money bungs millions in that direction to spike Labour's guns. Oh for the days of Harold Wilson and Margaret Thatcher when you knew what politicians stood for. I'm reaching the stage for the first time in my life I'm not bothered who wins the next general election. 
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2022, 05:57:06 AM »
That’s interesting. What do you think Labour would do that the tories wouldn’t?

The very fact that Labour is not supporting the workers in the RMT dispute must give you pause for thought vis-à-vis their social and economic policies. Labour are as monetarist as the Conservatives. Labour discourage popular participation in power, just as the tories do. Both parties are authoritarian and nationalist. Both parties curry favour with big business. Neither party is interested in improving public services, or in halting deregulation.

Of course, Labour are scared that the press will present them as favouring sectorial interests over national interests if they support the unions.

The Labour Manifesto has a lot of specified initiatives, for example in the 'Tackle Poverty and Inequality' section. After 12 years of absence in government, they'd have to carry through at least some of it, to produce tangible results.

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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2022, 10:51:53 PM »
An old school friend of my brother's commented that a Liz Truss premiership (which looks increasingly likely) would be 'like Boris without the jokes'.
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« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2022, 12:17:17 AM »
An old school friend of my brother's commented that a Liz Truss premiership (which looks increasingly likely) would be 'like Boris without the jokes'.

or with nice hair or without the intellectual rigour......... (oh no that's not right.......)

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« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2022, 04:02:57 AM »
An old school friend of my brother's commented that a Liz Truss premiership (which looks increasingly likely) would be 'like Boris without the jokes'.

I'm not so sure. I don't know what to make of her. Raised in a Labour supporting family, joined the Liberal party and voted Remain! Yet the blue-rinse Tories prefer her to dishi Rishi. Maybe a disaster but I don't think she will be Boris mark 2.
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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2022, 04:52:01 AM »
I'm not so sure. I don't know what to make of her. Raised in a Labour supporting family, joined the Liberal party and voted Remain! Yet the blue-rinse Tories prefer her to dishi Rishi. Maybe a disaster but I don't think she will be Boris mark 2.
I hope not anyway Lol  :)
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« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2022, 10:22:26 AM »
Yet the blue-rinse Tories prefer her to dishi Rishi.

Well Rishi has brown skin.
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« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2022, 06:35:23 AM »
Well Rishi has brown skin.

Don't know if you are saying they are racist or you are?
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