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Offline vandermolen

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Re: Tory leadership race.
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2022, 02:21:39 AM »
Watched the SKY News debate last night. I agreed with the studio audience that Sunak was far more impressive than Truss and looked more like a Prime Minister. However, I suspect that Truss will win for being 'loyal to Boris'. For me that is a reason not to support her.
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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2022, 03:21:59 AM »
Watched the SKY News debate last night. I agreed with the studio audience that Sunak was far more impressive than Truss and looked more like a Prime Minister. However, I suspect that Truss will win for being 'loyal to Boris'. For me that is a reason not to support her.

The impression I get is that Truss is a total nitwit....and disingenuous. Still, she makes all kinds of promises she cannot keep and that is always a good recipe for political succes. Sunak is a smart guy who understands finance, which seems a good idea given the economic turbulance ahead.  But being a banker who married into a family of bilionaires, I doubt if many of the Conservative upper middle class can feel much of a connection with him. Not particularly a "a man of the people".

Boris' Titanic will keep its course!  ::)
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Re: Tory leadership race.
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2022, 07:19:54 AM »
 He who wields the knife in the Tory party never wins the crown. Rishi only had to look back to the Thatcher demise to see the game is up for him. Heseltine a far more capable politician, and unlike Rishi a self-made millionaire, had his heart set to become leader and Prime Minister. He dealt Thatcher a mortal blow, but because of this the party turned their back on him and picked possibly the worst post-war PM, John Major. The game was up for Johnson with the resignation of Sunak as it was up for Thatcher with the resignation of Heseltine. Neither achieved what their actions were planned to achieve. I don't think Sunak has played this at all well.
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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2022, 10:16:54 PM »
He who wields the knife in the Tory party never wins the crown. Rishi only had to look back to the Thatcher demise to see the game is up for him. Heseltine a far more capable politician, and unlike Rishi a self-made millionaire, had his heart set to become leader and Prime Minister. He dealt Thatcher a mortal blow, but because of this the party turned their back on him and picked possibly the worst post-war PM, John Major. The game was up for Johnson with the resignation of Sunak as it was up for Thatcher with the resignation of Heseltine. Neither achieved what their actions were planned to achieve. I don't think Sunak has played this at all well.
True, although didn't Thatcher 'stab' Heath in the back?
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« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2022, 12:41:35 AM »
True, although didn't Thatcher 'stab' Heath in the back?

Heath misjudged the mood of the British public during the miner's strike. He called a General Election and lost. Thatcher then Education minister threw her hat in the ring as a 50 to 1 outsider to succeed him. She was up against the big guns of the time Heseltine, Joseph et el.
https://thecritic.co.uk/do-conservative-front-runners-always-lose/

I think Heath was a misogynistic man. Thatcher more then once invited him to join her Cabinet for which he sulkily refused.

One thing that really annoys me. Why is it that Thatcher excepted the winner of an election for leader does not bring the person who has lost into his Cabinet. Starmer/Cobyn I can understand but why was Jeremy Hunt banished to the back benches? If Truss brings in Rishi her stock will rise in my eyes.



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