Which major composer wrote the least solo piano music?

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Quote from: Florestan on August 18, 2022, 02:33:45 AM
Berlioz and Varese are certainly the winners.

For a major composer with a huge catalogue of works, Dvorak wrote a surprisingly small amount of piano music, none of which is essential.

Hm, the Naxos box is 5 CDs, almost 5 hours, but I agree, they aren't really essential works.

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Quote from: 71 dB on August 18, 2022, 01:39:29 AM
There's more including the solo piano version of the Enigma Variations. Even Naxos has a dedicated disc of Elgar's solo piano music:

https://www.amazon.com/Piano-Music-ELGAR/dp/B000H4VZDK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=51KKETZUQ6MK&keywords=elgar+naxos+piano+music&qid=1660815433&sprefix=elgar+naxos+piano+music%2Caps%2C167&sr=8-3

Concert Allegro isn't even on that CD! Then there's David Owen Norris playing Elgar (Elgar Editions)

Obscure perhaps for others than us Elgarians, but Concert Allegro certainly is not all there is

True, but I think the Enigma Variations is originally thought of as a work for orchestra.

MusicTurner

Saariaho, apparently about 3 smaller works.

Lutoslawski, less than 1 CD.

Penderecki, very, very little.




Biffo

Quote from: Brian on August 17, 2022, 12:41:23 PM
The Warner Berlioz complete edition contains 16 minutes of solo organ music, but not the "Albumleaf" for piano listed on Wikipedia. (Or the Toccata for organ, although it does contain two world-premiere recordings of fugues unlisted on Wiki.) Not sure if that piece has ever been recorded or if the music still exists.

Interestingly, Berlioz never wrote any chamber music whatsoever.

As a teenager Berlioz wrote two flute quintets. The cellist of the amateur quartet was unable to play his rather simple part in the first one. Berlioz was an accomplished flautist and wrote variations for solo flute. He was also a competent guitarist and wrote variations for that instrument. None of this music has survived.

ritter

Among the Darmstadt gang, AFAIK Luigi Nono composed only one piece for solo piano (with tape), the beautiful ...sofferte onde serene..., and Maderna only an early fantasia for two pianos, B.A.C.H Variationen (which seems never to have been recorded).

Florestan

Quote from: MusicTurner on August 18, 2022, 02:48:20 AM
Hm, the Naxos box is 5 CDs, almost 5 hours, but I agree, they aren't really essential works.

The Kvapil and Kahanek sets on Supraphon are both 4 CDs.
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Jo498

And aren't these Dvorak collections incl. 4-hand music? (Here one could argue that the Slavonic dances and Legends are important pieces although at least the first superior in the orchestral versions).

I think the question is pretty moot, unless understood in the different sense, I suggested above, i.e. a composer who wrote one or very few piano pieces that are nevertheless considered "major". That's also rare but more interesting.
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Florestan

Quote from: Jo498 on August 18, 2022, 03:34:42 AM
a composer who wrote one or very few piano pieces that are nevertheless considered "major". That's also rare but more interesting.

Otomh I can't think of any composer who fits in. What I can think of, is a composer who published nothing but a piano suite: Abel Decaux - Clairs de lune.
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MusicTurner

Quote from: Jo498 on August 18, 2022, 03:34:42 AM
And aren't these Dvorak collections incl. 4-hand music? (Here one could argue that the Slavonic dances and Legends are important pieces although at least the first superior in the orchestral versions).

I think the question is pretty moot, unless understood in the different sense, I suggested above, i.e. a composer who wrote one or very few piano pieces that are nevertheless considered "major". That's also rare but more interesting.

No, not the Naxos one. The 4 hand works make another double CD.

Florestan

Quote from: Florestan on August 18, 2022, 03:26:50 AM
The Kvapil and Kahanek sets on Supraphon are both 4 CDs.

Now that I think of it, Faure's piano music fits in 4 CDs too and Ravel's on 2, but in their case almost any piece is essential.
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Quote from: Jo498 on August 18, 2022, 03:34:42 AM
And aren't these Dvorak collections incl. 4-hand music? (Here one could argue that the Slavonic dances and Legends are important pieces although at least the first superior in the orchestral versions).

I think the question is pretty moot, unless understood in the different sense, I suggested above, i.e. a composer who wrote one or very few piano pieces that are nevertheless considered "major". That's also rare but more interesting.

Alban Berg's Sonata, if of short duration, is no doubt such a candidate, of course.

Mussorgsky's Pictures too (the complete piano works are 2 CDs).

I guess Webern's Variations have high status too.

Franck's Prelude, Choral & Fugue, but again, the complete works amount to more than one CD.

Jo498

Quote from: MusicTurner on August 18, 2022, 03:46:18 AM
Alban Berg's Sonata, if of short duration, is no doubt such a candidate, of course.

Mussorgsky's Pictures too (the complete piano works are 2 CDs).

I guess Webern's Variations have high status too.
yes, these are all good examples. (I thought of the Berg sonata when this thread appeared.) As are probably Barber, Boulez, Dukas, Barraqué mentioned on the first page. FWIW Schönberg's solo piano with opus numbers also fits on one disc.
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Brian

Yeah, Dvorak doesn't belong - his recorded legacy for piano solo or duo totals up to double the output of Ravel for the instrument. It's just that it was not as memorable or important.

Florestan

Well, the OP question has already been definitively answered: Berlioz (for major major) and Varese (for relatively major) wrote / published no piano music at all. Since one can't get less than nothing, the thread can be safely closed.  ;D
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Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on August 18, 2022, 02:33:45 AM
Berlioz and Varese are certainly the winners.

For a major composer with a huge catalogue of works, Dvorak wrote a surprisingly small amount of piano music, none of which is essential.

Good to know I needn't feel guilt over my neglect of the Dvořák piano solo œuvre. 8)
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Florestan

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 18, 2022, 05:51:47 AM
Good to know I needn't feel guilt over my neglect of the Dvořák piano solo œuvre. 8)

My favorite of them is a suite named Eclogues. Give it a stream if/when you feel like it.

Overall, though, most of his solo piano works are dances. This in itself is neither here nor there but I much prefer Smetana's polkas to Dvorak's furiants and dumkas. Actually, Smetana's piano music (7 CD worth) is very good, even the dances have a melancholy feeling which at times sounds downright Rachmaninovian.
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71 dB

Quote from: MusicTurner on August 18, 2022, 02:50:33 AM
True, but I think the Enigma Variations is originally thought of as a work for orchestra.

Sure, but how original solo piano music has to be?
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Quote from: 71 dB on August 18, 2022, 06:57:07 AM
Sure, but how original solo piano music has to be?

There's no doubt he felt that he had to work & adapt the work to the piano and its sound. But it wasn't conceived as a piano piece, I think.

Florestan

The reverse question's answer is indisputable: Liszt is the major composer who wrote the most amount of solo piano music: about 100 CDs worth.  :)
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71 dB

Quote from: MusicTurner on August 18, 2022, 07:52:49 AM
There's no doubt he felt that he had to work & adapt the work to the piano and its sound. But it wasn't conceived as a piano piece, I think.

Even if we drop Enigma Variations, Elgar wrote a dozen works specifically for piano. While these are rather short works, it is enough (about 40 minutes of music) to disqualify Elgar from being THE major composer who wrote the least solo piano music. Especially the claim that Concert Allegro is his ONLY solo piano work doesn't hold water.
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