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Quote from: Mandryka on September 15, 2022, 12:41:11 PMThis is the way to give ESL 57s the power to shift more air.
Quote from: Todd on September 15, 2022, 12:40:33 PMI find that literally impossible to believe. All brands of electrostats are less capable of reproducing piano than either dynamic drivers or some planars. I doubt they would be able to reproduce cello in a satisfactory way, but maybe.
QuoteWhat blind testing?
Quote from: Mandryka on September 15, 2022, 12:41:11 PMThis is the way to give ESL 57s the power to shift more air. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325286877772?mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&siteid=0&customid=link&campid=5338728743&toolid=20001&mkevt=1
Quote from: Mandryka on September 14, 2022, 12:17:54 PMHere's a favourite of mine -- Furtwangler in rehearsal in 1948. Brahms 4. It's just amazing what he got them to do. And it's great to actually see him in action, the icy eyes, the relaxed body, like a rag doll. This is possibly the best Brahms 4 ever. Except it's only a rehearsal and we only have five minutes of it. But what five minutes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leYbb5KZYDg&ab_channel=FrancisZhouThere's a story that Mravinsky once cancelled the concert because the rehearsal was so good . . .
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on September 12, 2022, 10:50:19 AMHi DBK,There are so many wonderful recordings that were released either only in mono or mono AND stereo.As I think it was Todd (who beat me to it) had mentioned, the Beethoven mono recordings with Kempff are particularly wonderful. He recorded them three times but not in totality. The set that I have (and love) is this one: Gieseking playing Debussy...to die for. Will have to double-check what else I have of his...Several of Cortot's recordings are very special to me; in particular, his recording of Chopin's PC No. 2 with Barbirolli (the one that I have is on Naxos). His Franck, Saint-Saens, Ravel album (also on Naxos) is wonderful. I grew so enamored of Cortot that I bought an EMI boxed set of his...trying to remember the name of the series....Icons, I believe.There are so many great recordings out there.By the way, one theory that I have re sound quality: Don't try and listen to them on a very current, super-high detailed system which shows everything. I find that I enjoy them better on a "less-than-perfect" system. That, and just be willing and able to let any dated recording ways just go to the wayside and immerse yourself in the performance. That said, in some cases, I'm pleasantly surprised how good some of the later ones sound on my better system. I'm curious as to what others think of my comments?PD
Quote from: hvbias on September 15, 2022, 12:57:36 PMYes, I should have said for instrument timbre they're the most realistic sounding, but that doesn't include reproducing realistic SPL....I have heard Sound Lab 845 electrostats in a dealer's setup and these will reproduce piano at realistic SPLs (or other music at levels I'd want to have Etymotic earplugs in for)
Quote from: hvbias on September 15, 2022, 12:57:36 PMFloyd Toole's research, about 40 years worth of it. This video is a brief overview of it: https://youtu.be/zrpUDuUtxPM
Quote from: Todd on September 15, 2022, 01:40:25 PMI doubt both assertions, the first because of how ESL 57s have been reported to behave in room in terms of measured frequency response, and the second because of the amount of amplifier power that would be needed to reproduce just midrange at forte, let alone fortissimo.
QuoteBut maybe. (I don't know Sound Lab specs, so maybe they are easy to drive.) Without measurements it's only anecdotal.
QuoteToole's work is an excellent approach to use for people who care about sound. Most people don't.
Quote from: Todd on September 15, 2022, 12:40:33 PMHow do you know?
Quote from: hvbias on September 16, 2022, 03:29:57 AMNo, unless you have a Klippel at the minimum in room behavior (presuming you mean the power response) is meaningless.
Quote from: hvbias on September 16, 2022, 03:29:57 AMOf course, we're talking about subjective experiences of instruments.
Quote from: hvbias on September 16, 2022, 03:29:57 AMThe principles of what he published in his book seem to hold true for all the best sounding speakers I've heard
Quote from: hvbias on September 16, 2022, 03:29:57 AMPretty simple, you're a blind squirrel trying to find a nut if you don't have the proper tools to design a loudspeaker, it's possible to design something that is good enough or something the owner is happy with. This would apply to all DIY'ers and audiophile boutique speaker companies that aim more to impress with high priced Serbian ribbon drivers, brag about using the same Scandanavian drivers some speaker company charging $250k for speakers or Japanese drivers made from old masters having decades of stamping on paper from an extinct tree. At best you might see some overly smoothed single point measurement from them.
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on September 15, 2022, 01:38:49 PMI checked the Kempff via streaming, and the recording is lovely!
Quote from: hvbias on September 16, 2022, 03:53:59 AMI was a bit pressed for time yesterday as we were leaving for the weekend, so I couldn't expand on this issues with this- both speakers are playing in phase; they would have to be. With that I would have to imagine the effects of comb filtering would cause some odd and I would think very obvious cancellations.
Quote from: Florestan on September 16, 2022, 08:05:58 AMBronislaw Huberman, George Szell, Vienna PO - Beethoven Violin Concerto (1935)Wilhelm Backhaus, Karl Bohm, Vienna SO - Beethoven PC 4 (1950)Lev Oborin, Aleksandr Gauk, USSR State and Radio SO - Tchaikovsky PC 1 (1948)The absolutely unsurpassable renditions of these works for me.
Quote from: Mandryka on September 16, 2022, 08:28:41 AMI've not heard the Szell/Huberman for years, but I remember that the two spark it off very well, Furtwangler/Fischer Beethoven PC5 is a bit like that. Here's a list of this sort of thing that I made more than 10 years ago, when I was into that sort of thing more. Some of it may be stereo, I'm not sure. I think today I'd add more Mengelberg -- but, I don't want to think about it too much: been there, done that, and this list is the tee shirt. I'm too cool for 19th century concertos now . tti
Quote from: Todd on September 16, 2022, 05:21:13 AMText
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 16, 2022, 05:36:10 AMThe comb filtering is there, but you don't really have two point sources interfering at the listener's location. In addition to the primary sources you have multiple reflections arriving at your ear from various surfaces in the room, which will never be symmetric, so at no frequency will you have two waves out of phase producing complete cancelation.
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on September 16, 2022, 09:42:50 AMThe list is very informative! I will check some of them. Thanks a lot.P.s. The Segovia looks interesting.
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on September 16, 2022, 09:42:50 AM I don't know anything about Ervin Nyiregyhazi.
Quote from: hvbias on September 16, 2022, 12:05:09 PMapologies for derailing the thread
Quote from: Florestan on September 16, 2022, 12:14:47 PMNo ofense meant but the whole kerfuffle strikes me as a conspicuous case of not seeing (or rather hearing) the forest because of the trees.
Quote from: hvbias on September 16, 2022, 12:05:09 PMDBK apologies for derailing the thread, I'll mention just one since there are so many fine performances already brought up. I compartmentalize classical music in my head by composer -> work, with performances nested under work; with my field I learned I needed to have a meticulous method of organizing information, so it's not the best way to retrieve this information out of order Godowsky playing Godowsky's studies on Chopin's Etudes, these are if nothing else interesting to listen to the composer play them. Godowsky didn't record all but many are present on Marston Records volumes. As legendary a reputation he has, in reality Marc-André Hamelin outclasses him in sheer technical brilliance. And then if one has more interest than that David Stanhope has a superb DVD where he contrasts them against Chopin's.
Quote from: Mandryka on September 16, 2022, 11:12:40 AMI listened to the Segovia very recently. These days I prefer the Bream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0S1KDOC8is&ab_channel=pianopera
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