To boldly go ... (Star Trek)

[relm1]

Have you ever seen Airplane 2?

Hey, my friend is in that movie!    

[Karl Henning]

Ouch! Star Trek Nemesis: Revisiting The Worst Star Trek Movie Ever Made

[San Antone]

After finishing DS9, hat tip to DavidW for linking me to a website guide to the series - We've about half way through Season 1 of Enterprise.  Never been a fan of Scott Bakula, but the sexy Vulcan T'Pol saves the show for me. I also like Trip and Reed.  Phlox is a bit tiresome - Hoshi, meh; Mayweather is okay.

It is fun to see this stage of the show, lower tech, and introducing some things like "transport" which most of the crew is skeptical of, and they take shuttles almost all the time.

But it is enjoyable.  I must have watched it before at some point, because most of the shows have a déjà vu tinge.

[DavidW]

The first two seasons of Enterprise are hit or miss but the third and fourth seasons are dynamite!  Enterprise was better than was remembered.  When it came out franchise fatigue had thoroughly set in.  I bet there are a lot of people like me that rediscovered it through either streaming or dvds.

[LKB]

Ouch! Star Trek Nemesis: Revisiting The Worst Star Trek Movie Ever Made

Worse than V? I'll have to think about that... 

[DavidW]

Worse than V? I'll have to think about that... 

I was thinking the same thing! 

[San Antone]

Just started watching Star Trek: Discovery.  After reading about it some, the series is split in two: S1+2 take place shortly after the end of Enterprise, but S3+4+5 are something like 900 years later. Interesting.



I haven't bonded with any characters yet - but it is keeping my interest so far.  Not a fan of the Klingon dialog with subtitles, sometimes hard to read on my tv.

[relm1]

Just started watching Star Trek: Discovery.  After reading about it some, the series is split in two: S1+2 take place shortly after the end of Enterprise, but S3+4+5 are something like 900 years later. Interesting.



I haven't bonded with any characters yet - but it is keeping my interest so far.  Not a fan of the Klingon dialog with subtitles, sometimes hard to read on my tv.

I had a hard time with this show.  The one thing all trek needs in its DNA is good story.  I just wasn't feeling it with Discovery though I like Jason Isaacs.  Then at the same time came the far more trek like Orville.  Do the stories get better?  I do happen to really like Strange New Worlds which feels much more like the original series.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

How many series have spun off from the original Star Trek?  *I've only watched the original t.v. show and some of the Next Generation and seen a couple of the early movies.

*I did enjoy reading the books when I was young too.

PD

[Daverz]

I had a hard time with this show.  The one thing all trek needs in its DNA is good story.  I just wasn't feeling it with Discovery though I like Jason Isaacs.  Then at the same time came the far more trek like Orville.  Do the stories get better?  I do happen to really like Strange New Worlds which feels much more like the original series.

Discovery also didn't seem like a Trek show to me.  Even at the start I was really turned off by the egregrious re-re-inventing of the Klingons.  I bailed after a few episodes.

[San Antone]

Discovery also didn't seem like a Trek show to me.  Even at the start I was really turned off by the egregrious re-re-inventing of the Klingons.  I bailed after a few episodes.

My wife keeps asking: "are those supposed to be Klingons?"  Completely unnecessary. And I don't like the XF, and fast cut style.  I guess I just too old ....

[DavidW]

Discovery also didn't seem like a Trek show to me.  Even at the start I was really turned off by the egregrious re-re-inventing of the Klingons.  I bailed after a few episodes.

It gets a lot better once they jump forward to the far future.  Just like most Star Trek shows it needed to figure out its identity and dramatically improve on the writing.

[Karl Henning]

It gets a lot better once they jump forward to the far future.  Just like most Star Trek shows it needed to figure out its identity and dramatically improve on the writing.

I see your point, even as one who may like the first two seasons of TNG better than the consensus.

[relm1]

I see your point, even as one who may like the first two seasons of TNG better than the consensus.

I think the first two seasons are underrated and the last two are overrated.  Throughout the series, there were missteps and misfires with some real gems too.  I think s1 and 2 are at their weakest when it tries too much to be like TOS and Roddenberry is too heavy handed with his story principles which were mostly abandoned in later seasons and fully in later series.  Stuff like in the future, there would be no internal conflict. I really like the first Moriarty episode (all of them actually) which was from S2.  Also Measure of a Man was excellent Trek.  The first encounter of the borg was in S2 and a thrilling episode.  Those are some of the finest episodes from the entire series.  I thought there were way too many Klingon empire soap opera episodes in later seasons.  They totally overused young Wesley in S1 which was a horrible character idea.  It was like writing a bad Mcguffin directly in to each episode.  Example: we've stumbled on an unknown entity/technology of unimaginable power that is threatening our survival and no one has seen this before.  Two minutes before episode ends, 14 year old ensign Wesley stumbles on a solution and solves the problem that everyone missed.

https://www.bu.edu/clarion/guides/Star_Trek_Writers_Guide.pdf

[milk]

Has anyone watched Strange New Worlds? I liked a bit of the first season but what annoyed me about the second season was something that sort of smacks of post-millennials in general: self consciousness. Self-consciousness is the enemy of Star Trek.

[DavidW]

Has anyone watched Strange New Worlds? I liked a bit of the first season but what annoyed me about the second season was something that sort of smacks of post-millennials in general: self consciousness. Self-consciousness is the enemy of Star Trek.

I only watched the first season (got burned out on Trek).  I heard that season two went off the rails and even had a musical episode like Buffy.  From what you're saying, sounds like I should not be in a hurry to watch season two. 

[relm1]

Has anyone watched Strange New Worlds? I liked a bit of the first season but what annoyed me about the second season was something that sort of smacks of post-millennials in general: self consciousness. Self-consciousness is the enemy of Star Trek.

I like the Strange New Worlds series.  Sure, there is a musical episode, but the idea has been in the works for decades.

The original series has a song from "Commander Spock (Leonard Nimoy) and Lt. Nyota Uhura (Nichelle Nichols) in "The Man Trap", all the way to the operatic ambitions of Star Trek: Voyager's EMH Doctor (Robert Picardo), music has been an integral part of the lives of each Star Trek crew. And yet, it's only in 2023, 57 years after Spock and Uhura's duet, that Star Trek has finally pulled off a fully-fledged musical episode. However, a Star Trek musical has been a prospect since the 1990s, long before the groundbreaking Buffy the Vampire Slayer musical that heavily inspired Strange New Worlds' "Subspace Rhapsody."

The S2 season finally was quite good and tense.  The cast is terrific if you can get over a Jim Kirk who is quite different from Shatner both personally and physically.  There is a good episode that tips its hat to the best Star Trek episode, "City on the Edge of Forever".  S2 is worth watching but you might want to skip the musical one if you know you'll hate it.  I didn't mind it. 

[Karl Henning]

I found this interesting.

[milk]

I like the Strange New Worlds series.  Sure, there is a musical episode, but the idea has been in the works for decades.

The original series has a song from "Commander Spock (Leonard Nimoy) and Lt. Nyota Uhura (Nichelle Nichols) in "The Man Trap", all the way to the operatic ambitions of Star Trek: Voyager's EMH Doctor (Robert Picardo), music has been an integral part of the lives of each Star Trek crew. And yet, it's only in 2023, 57 years after Spock and Uhura's duet, that Star Trek has finally pulled off a fully-fledged musical episode. However, a Star Trek musical has been a prospect since the 1990s, long before the groundbreaking Buffy the Vampire Slayer musical that heavily inspired Strange New Worlds' "Subspace Rhapsody."

The S2 season finally was quite good and tense.  The cast is terrific if you can get over a Jim Kirk who is quite different from Shatner both personally and physically.  There is a good episode that tips its hat to the best Star Trek episode, "City on the Edge of Forever".  S2 is worth watching but you might want to skip the musical one if you know you'll hate it.  I didn't mind it. 

I can see what you're saying and I think there are going to be two camps on this one. I've run into a lot of people that enjoy it and that's great. I wish I could. Maybe I'll give it another try. I think, again, what separates the past episodes you mention from this show's episodes is the self-consciousness and camp. Voyager and TOS never took me out of the shows. I never thought the actors were calling attention to themselves. I'm not even really knocking these actors because I do think they're talented and I don't think it's necessarily their fault. I watched the shows and even some of the interviews around the shows and I think the creators and the actors are all working together on the direction it has gone. It's a bit of a shame. S1 started off with some of the flare and immediacy of the old ST. What they've done in S2 is something I think millennials rather like or, maybe it's just what millennials ARE: more self-conscious and 2d, aside from being very interested in world-building, back stories, and explanations. However, I'm not sure it's really driven as much by the actors as the writers/directors/designers of the show. We live in a world in which people are just very aware of themselves. It somehow comes through a lot of the ideas in THIS show from the mythology episode to the thespian singing one. It's really hard for actors to distinguish themselves these days because they're always hyper self-aware even while not necessarily being very sophisticated at all. Shatner/Kirk and Nemoy/Spock were/are truly strange people/characters such as you do not find today.

[Atriod]

I am curious, what do Star Trek fans make of Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis (without giving away spoilers on either)? I recently started watching SG-1 and it comes across as hard scifi.