Started by Karl Henning, February 28, 2023, 02:26:23 PM
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Quote from: Ganondorf on March 08, 2023, 05:29:30 AMA huge Star Trek fan here. My favorite series is DS9. It's cynical tone compared to its more idealistic predecessors may bother some but not me. I see no reason why backstabbing couldn't possibly have its place in Star Trek universe. Everything doesn't have to stay the same. Roddenberry's vision is not the only correct one.That being said, I do enjoy greatly TOS and TNG, too.
Quote from: DavidW on March 08, 2023, 06:33:47 AMI've been watching season 3 of Picard. Looks like the show finally delivers on an unspoken promise. Bring the old cast back for one last adventure. Writing seems decent this time around. Don't expect it to look or feel like old trek, but still enjoyable so far.
Quote from: Karl Tirebiter Henning on March 08, 2023, 05:49:29 AMI don't think I'm opposed to the post-TNG series. I'm giving myself time to absorb TNG better. This is my second go through the seven seasons, and now and again I watch an ep which I think I somehow missed the first go-round. Beyond that, I'm overwhelmed by the ongoing franchise, and may just stick with the Trek I already known and love.
Quote from: relm1 on March 08, 2023, 04:11:21 PMFirst Contact
Quote from: relm1 on March 08, 2023, 04:03:03 PMI haven't seen s1 or s2. Do I need to see those first? I might have tried the first episode of S1 and hated it. But not all series are the original series - perfect from the start. TNG had lots of missed episodes early but got better later.
Quote from: DavidW on March 09, 2023, 06:05:15 AMOn a rewatch, I was surprised how absolutely awful the first two seasons of TNG were. I really can't think of any other Star Trek series that flopped so badly right out of the gate. I'm glad that it wasn't cancelled because it was ultimately a great show.The new Trek shows never reached that level, but they feel tonally off. They are more like big budget action blockbusters and less like Star Trek.
Quote from: relm1 on March 10, 2023, 05:50:12 AMTrue but there were still some very fine episodes in TNG S1 and S2 (just few of them). Examples are when Q forced the Enterprise to first encounter the Borg was a great episode. Measure of a Man was classic Trek worthy of TOS. They introduced a wonderful series of episodes with Professor Moriarty in S2. I kind of think of S2 as somewhat on par with TOS S3, a few misfires but some very memorable episodes that have aged well. The bulk of the episodes from these seasons are meh with a few cringe moments. What say you on Wesley's character? I was around his age at that time and absolutely hated his character on the show or that the Enterprise should include families. Just didn't make sense to me and anytime that was referenced, it slammed the brakes on the enjoyment for me.
Quote from: DavidW on March 10, 2023, 11:34:55 AMBut I still like the episode where Wesley and Picard are stuck in a cave and Picard is seriously injured. I also like the episode where he and Ashley Judd's character discover that the rest of the crew are addicted to a game. Both episodes show a more human aspect to his character, and allow Wesley to shine without being obnoxious....
Quote from: LKB on March 10, 2023, 04:19:54 PMI'm an original Trekker ( not the only one here, to be sure ), having watched the first NBC broadcasts of many of the episodes of TOS ( except for season three, which was on after my bedtime ).Being a young boy, I loved the show for the surface content, as a Sci-Fi adventure. So my favorite episodes were those such as Balance of Terror, the first appearance of the Romulans; The Corbomite Maneuver, Charlie X, The Man Trap, Shore Leave, etc.Shatner's Kirk was cool. Never panicked, led his crew well, wasn't afraid to duke it out ( with either fists or the Enterprise ) when required. His only flaw was this weird preoccupation with women... but nobody's perfect. Nimoy's Spock was both exotic and formidable. He always had either the solution to a major crisis, or the way to reach one. Never flustered or confused, always confident, loyal to his captain, a perfect executive and Science Officer yet prepared to command when required.DeForest Kelley's McCoy was mostly a puzzle to me. As the show's comedy was aimed at adults, his verbal jousting with Spock came across as mere irritability. And he was the Voice of Doom as well - when " Bones " knelt down to assess anyone lying motionless on the floor or the surface of some unfamiliar planet... well, even the juvenile version of yours truly knew what was probably coming:https://youtu.be/MH7KYmGnj40Star Trek was unlike anything anyone had seen before, and although the change didn't happen overnight and wasn't even acknowledged for years, American television was forever altered... as was a young boy in California.
Quote from: relm1 on March 10, 2023, 04:50:21 PMLovely comments. But wasn't Twilight Zone also unlike anything else at that time? As was much of tv? Or was ST TOS different even from those?
Quote from: LKBThe difference lay in Gene Roddenberry's motivations and intent for the series. Roddenberry wanted to touch on sensitive themes that were taboo in American television during the 1960's, and yet were vital and relevant within the daily functioning of American society. Racial matters, the war in Southeast Asia, ideological friction ( both within the country and between the USA and others powers ), socioeconomic inequality.
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